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Worth trading?

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by clair, Jun 17, 2006.

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  1. clair

    clair Karting

    Jan 16, 2006
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    Hi
    I own a Series 1 250 GT PF Coupe in excellent condition here in Canada. I have been offered an even swap with a like condition 1973 246 GTS Dino.
    I love the shape of the Dino but adore the elegance and V12 of the Coupe. 2 years ago I would have done the swap - now, I'm not so sure.
    What are your thoughts?
    Clair
     
  2. ROLOcr

    ROLOcr Formula Junior

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    aren't series 1 pf coupes me expensive than dinos???
     
  3. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Maybe not anymore but myself I'd hold onto that v12, man......

    Dinos are pretty but hard to work on and parts are getting harder to find than for YOUR car I'd think..

    Any other thoughts?
     
  4. MJarrettR

    MJarrettR Formula 3

    Apr 14, 2004
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    No question for me, keep the 250PF Coupe! If someone was offering you a 250PF Cabriolet, well then I would say yes I probably would, but I wouldn't trade it for a dino, as nice as Dinos are...

    -Jarrett
     
  5. tx246

    tx246 F1 Veteran
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    Nov 4, 2003
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    i have three dino gts's. if a really nice 250 pf coupe came along, i would trade, they are very different cars, but they are both really nice and equally valued.
     
  6. jusdriveit

    jusdriveit Karting

    Sep 11, 2005
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    Drive the Dino, that should make the decesion easy.
    Good luck!
    Mark
     
  7. John Vardanian

    John Vardanian F1 Rookie

    Jul 1, 2004
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    A no brainer for me... I'd keep the PF coupe.

    john
     
  8. djaffrey

    djaffrey Formula Junior

    Apr 11, 2004
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    PF is more valuable, rarer, has more wow factor.

    Dino probably drives better.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    For me the PF Coupe is the keeper.
     
  9. djaffrey

    djaffrey Formula Junior

    Apr 11, 2004
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    ...and Clair please post photos of your PF and the serial number so we can all take a look !

    Cheers

    Darren.
     
  10. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

    Dec 17, 2003
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    2 years ago that might have been a fair trade, but it's probably no longer an even-money swap. All the 250s are really moving up in price.
     
  11. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    250 PF Coupe = $130K
    246GTS = $118K


    according to the Ferrari Market Letter

    Both USD. Although I know nothing about the 250 Market, I can tell you that $118K is a great price for a nice complete 246GTS with books and tools, only needing cosmetic work. In fact, that price is a pipe dream for a really good car.

    Parts for Dinos are easy to come by. Probably easier than the 250. Lots of sources.

    Maintenance - who knows. half the cylinders will not = 1/2 the price, that's for sure.

    Having said all that, and having only ogled the 250's at shows, I'd maybe swap my Dino for a real nice one. Course, my Dino is a GT, but it is about PERFECT, (and I'm not being immodest, I don't think.)

    Dave M.
     
  12. John Vardanian

    John Vardanian F1 Rookie

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    Would love to see some photos of your car.

    john
     
  13. ROLOcr

    ROLOcr Formula Junior

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    ain't 130K the price for a series 2 coupe, i tougth series1 where more expensive than series 2
     
  14. djaffrey

    djaffrey Formula Junior

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    Series 1 do carry a small premium but neither series of PF Coupe (in good condition) can be found for $130k.

    I would say $150k - $175k is nearer market price for a GOOD car regardless of whether its S1 or S2.

    All the more reason to not do the swap.
     
  15. Ed Niles

    Ed Niles Formula 3
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    I agree with djaffrey. But why does a s.1 command a premium over s.2? S.2 is a better car in several ways.
     
  16. dbcooper

    dbcooper Formula Junior

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    I'd Keep the Pf if ya ask me,V-12,Classy styling,cooler ride.just my opinion.
     
  17. ArtS

    ArtS F1 Veteran
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    Ed,

    The S1 is basically a TDF chassis. In this case drivability is not a plus. We live in a strange world.

    Regards,

    Art S.

    PS. my vote is for the PF coupe, nothing of equal or lesser value comes close.
     
  18. djaffrey

    djaffrey Formula Junior

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    I have the is debate with John V every once in a while and we always agree to disagree :)

    S1 has that 1950's cachet and is eligible for Drum Brake events should you want to track it (perhaps unlikley). As also noted chassis wise it is identical to one of the greatest cars ever produced by the Factory (imho).

    S2 has more powerful engine, overdrive and MUCH better brakes. As Ed notes it is unquestionably the better drive.

    But its horses for courses and frankly both series are wonderful to my mind.

    Darren
     
  19. lesliewales

    lesliewales Karting

    Jan 8, 2006
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    Hi Clair
    I have just posted pictures of my 250 GT PF coupe #1463 on a different thread, and I saw that you replied. I am in the enviable position of owning both the cars of which you speak.
    I have owned this vehicle for 30 years and have also owned a 246 Dino in one format or another since 1974. In fact, I still own a 246 GT Dino that I have had for 20 years.

    Speaking from personal experience vis-a-vis the 2 cars - I can tell you that whilst the Dino is an attractive, pretty and voluptuous bodied car, and a joy to drive, to compare it to the 250GT PF Coupe is nearly impossible. The 250 is a different level of class of vehicle altogether, with classic and elegant Ferrari lines and that incredible V12 engine. Whilst I love the Dino and am an owner, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone else on these web boards, it is obvious to me that the Dino was built for a younger age group with budget restraints. The 250 PF Coupe, in comparison, was hand made with passion and a certain disregard to budgetary constraints. The difference is clearly evident. I am certain, in my personal opinion, that you would regret the trade.

    In fact, I would be delighted to trade my Dino for your PF Coupe - yours would be amongst friends in my garage!!

    Best regards,
    Les
     
  20. lesliewales

    lesliewales Karting

    Jan 8, 2006
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    Hi Clair
    I have just posted pictures of my 250 GT PF coupe #1463 on a different thread, and I saw that you replied. I am in the enviable position of owning both the cars of which you speak.
    I have owned this vehicle for 30 years and have also owned a 246 Dino in one format or another since 1974. In fact, I still own a 246 GT Dino that I have had for 20 years.

    Speaking from personal experience vis-a-vis the 2 cars - I can tell you that whilst the Dino is an attractive, pretty and voluptuous bodied car, and a joy to drive, to compare it to the 250GT PF Coupe is nearly impossible. The 250 is a different level of class of vehicle altogether, with classic and elegant Ferrari lines and that incredible V12 engine. Whilst I love the Dino and am an owner, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone else on these web boards, it is obvious to me that the Dino was built for a younger age group with budget restraints. The 250 PF Coupe, in comparison, was hand made with passion and a certain disregard to budgetary constraints. The difference is clearly evident. I am certain, in my personal opinion, that you would regret the trade.

    In fact, I would be delighted to trade my Dino for your PF Coupe - yours would be amongst friends in my garage!!

    Best regards,
    Les
     
  21. synchro

    synchro F1 Veteran

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    Agreed that the PF should be the choice,
    but Dinos are fantastic to drive also.

    Disagree that Dinos are hard to work on nor that parts are hard to come by. There are several cottage industries (dinoparts.com, sperformance, Rutlands, etc) make it very easy to get mechanical replacements. Dino shares many lights and electrical with other cars.
    Six cylinders means a savings in maintenace over a 12 cyl car
     

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