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Which F12 should i go for?

Discussion in 'FF/Lusso/F12/812S' started by dann0, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. dann0

    dann0 Karting

    May 7, 2010
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    Howdy all, I'm homing in on 2 F12's (in Australia) and need some help on their relative merits vs price.

    Car 1
    $469k list
    2015 model
    30,000kms
    Rosso berlinetta paint
    Lift kit
    Lots of carbon
    PPF
    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2014-ferrari-f12berlinetta-auto/OAG-AD-18475067

    Car 2
    2014 model
    $490k list
    9500kms
    Rosso Fuoco paint
    Lift kit
    Novitek exhaust
    PPF
    No carbon at all
    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2014-ferrari-f12berlinetta-auto/OAG-AD-19306538

    I'd like a combo of both, lots of carbon and low miles but slim pickings over here so think i will choose one of these. Both will probably sell under list the same amount so there will be a $20k difference from high kms to the low one.

    I love the spec of the high miler but am worried about it. On their merits alone and taking price differential into account... what does everyone think? Which one would you choose?


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  3. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    What's wrong with 30000km on a 6 yr old car ?
     
  4. dann0

    dann0 Karting

    May 7, 2010
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    People keep telling me if i put another 20k kms on it I'll never be able to sell it? Not that I'm thinking I'll ever sell it at this stage
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  5. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Ull always be able to trade it in though


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  6. blkfxstc

    blkfxstc Formula Junior
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    It really depends what is more important to you. More options were more important to me, so I went with a higher mileage example and the options I wanted. Both the cars you are considering could have resale issues for different reasons. If more options and low miles are important to you, wait for the right one.
     
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  8. Condor Man

    Condor Man F1 Rookie

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    One million percent I would go for the 2nd car being Rosso Fuoco car!

    The color is so beautiful in beautiful in person and I think I have actually seen this particular car in Sydney some years ago.

    It is beautiful!


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  9. Gianfranco341

    Gianfranco341 Karting

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    IMHO I would prefer less mileage . I don’t know how is the market over there . It is very difficult to sell a Ferrari in Italy if it has more than 40000 km . I know one F12 with that mileage is for sale since 4 years , still unsold . I had F12 before 812SF . I’ve been in love with it so much . I prefer the clean design of a F12 . What I prefer more on F12 compared to 812 is longer gear ratios , you keep same gear for longer and for a wider window of speed . I’ve been in love with that . I’m anyway very very happy with 812SF that is very similar but getting always over rev with blu led very very quickly is annoying me a little and from 6th to 7th gear you have a big drop of rpm
     
  10. MrMarti

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    I think the no carbon look is classier, very elegant and subtle.
    I'd go for that one and try to get the price lower with some shrewd negotiation!
     
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  11. Gianfranco341

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    I forgot to say it is very important front suspension lift for me
     
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  13. Dubaicity

    Dubaicity Karting

    Nov 21, 2013
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    Any info about the seller available?
    I would rather choose a car that spent 30.000kms on highways than a car spending 5.000kms on a track
     
  14. dann0

    dann0 Karting

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    The low mileage one also comes with the 1 year dealer warranty which is probably important given its my first F car

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  15. Rabies

    Rabies Rookie

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    I am often perplexed by why people consider depreciation with a car like this. (Nearly) all cars depreciate vs other assets over a long enough period of time. So, if financial performance of an asset is important to you, then a 'modern' supercar is not for you.

    Do you want to drive the car or just look at it and/or show off to your mates and other people? If your primary reason to own it is NOT to drive the damn thing, then buy the lower mileage car as it will loose proportionally less money and you will feel better about the 'inevitable' losses you are making on what you have bought.

    If you want to drive the car, then f**k the depreciation and just buy the car you want to drive/own the most.

    "Simple".... ;-)

    PS. I bought one to drive and am averaging over 800 miles per month even though we are in lockdown - god only know how many I will do afterwards, but I don't care!
     
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  16. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    For the price difference I like the fuoco one with lower miles.

    I feel terrible about your pricing and taxes there... only paid $252k AUD for my 2015.
     
  17. FerRrari

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    Car 2 is probably the better purchase though not having a LED steering wheel would bother me.
     
  18. dann0

    dann0 Karting

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    Yeah it's really the only thing bothering me about that car. I don't need carbon anywhere else but ideally I'd like the rev lights
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  19. Gated

    Gated Formula 3

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    Fuoco. Add the rev lights if you must have them.
     
  20. MDEL

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    My F12 reached 30.000 Km last month and passed Ferrari's Power Warranty inspection with distinction. However, I know other Ferraris with much less mileage that already had several mechanical problems because the owners use them regularly on the track.
    It is true that mileage influences the price of a second hand Ferrari more than what it does in cars of other brands and this is an advantage when you buying but is the other way round when you are selling. If your intention is to keep the F12 for a long time like me, and there are plenty of reasons to do that because the F12 continuous being a great car and is also the last Pininfarina designed Ferrari, then don't hesitate and go for the newer car with more mileage that has a combo you like with plenty of carbon fiber extras making a big difference. If your intention happens to be using the F12 for a short period of time and then trade it, in this case the better option is no doubt the lower mileage car.
     
  21. dann0

    dann0 Karting

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    Thanks mdel. Gotta say I'm really still torn on it. It's my first ferrari and i really think I'd like this one to be a keeper that I'll add to in the future with other cars. But who knows...


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  22. MDEL

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    Good luck on your decision….
     
  23. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

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    carbon fiber interior trim and alcantara are the 2 biggest hoaxes perpetrated on the car enthusiast in the past decade.
     
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  24. bamaman

    bamaman Karting
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    Second car, lower mileage and a warranty---no question.
     
  25. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 Veteran
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    I think any deal you ever get into, you should also know how you will get out.

    With that said, I would go with car 2 because I love the color more. I would agree both are fairly close. If you are not going to put excessive miles then car 2 is a better choice. If you are going to put solid miles, car 2 is still a better choice. If you are going to put insane excessive miles over a longish time then both probably equalize.
     
  26. ANOpax

    ANOpax Formula Junior

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    What's wrong with this one then?
    It's Fuoco with the rev lights and neither too high km nor too low km...

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2013-ferrari-f12berlinetta-auto/SSE-AD-6870430/?Cr=2

    Personally, I'd buy this one and save a stack of cash.

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2013-ferrari-f12berlinetta-auto/OAG-AD-19494033/?Cr=0
     
  27. dann0

    dann0 Karting

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  28. ANOpax

    ANOpax Formula Junior

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    If lift is that important to you then retrofit the Novitec lift.

     

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