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Where to install O2 sensor?

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  1. Roc

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    I'm building a new exhaust system for my '85 Mondial QV, similar to the system built by Antwan. The major difference is that my car is a US and his is a UK. Mine is equipped with a cat and O2 sensor and his isn't. I'm going to eliminate the cat as I don't have to smog her when she is re-registered. The O2 sensor is a three wire sensor and presently located on the outlet of the cat. We can weld a bun anywhere after the header and before the muffler. Any suggestions on the best location so as not to confuse the ECU or ways that we might approach a workable solution. Thank you in advance!
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    Did you mis-type? The stock location for the O2 sensor is at the inlet side of the cat (the thermocouple is placed at the outlet side of the cat).

    Ideally, you'd like to place it as close to the engine where exhaust gas from all 8-cylinders is present, but if you are doing a custom exhaust that does not mix the two banks, then the best you can do is place it where exhaust gas from 4-cyl in one bank is present (and then hope that the fuel distributor is perfect, and the other bank is getting the exact same amount of fuel).
     
  3. soucorp

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    #3 soucorp, Mar 27, 2014
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    Since 1980, the o2 sensor is part of the emissions control system and feeds data to the engine management computer.
    The goal of the sensor is to help the engine run as efficiently as possible and also to produce as few emissions as possible.
    A gasoline engine burns gasoline in the presence of oxygen and has a particular ratio of air and gasoline that is "perfect," and that ratio is 14.7:1 (different fuels have different perfect ratios -- the ratio depends on the amount of hydrogen and carbon found in a given amount of fuel).

    If there is less air than this perfect ratio, then there will be fuel left over after combustion. This is called a rich mixture. Rich mixtures are bad because the unburned fuel creates pollution. If there is more air than this perfect ratio, then there is excess oxygen. This is called a lean mixture. A lean mixture tends to produce more nitrogen-oxide pollutants, and, in some cases, it can cause poor performance and even engine damage.

    The o2 sensor is positioned in the exhaust pipe and can detect rich and lean mixtures. The mechanism in most sensors involves a chemical reaction that generates a voltage. The engine's computer looks at the voltage to determine if the mixture is rich or lean, and adjusts the amount of fuel entering the engine accordingly.

    The reason why the engine needs the oxygen sensor is because the amount of oxygen that the engine can pull in depends on all sorts of things, such as the altitude, the temperature of the air, the temperature of the engine, the barometric pressure, the load on the engine, etc. When the oxygen sensor fails, the computer can no longer sense the air/fuel ratio, so it ends up guessing. Your car performs poorly and uses more fuel than it needs to.

    If you are going to take out the cat, you will need to remove the thermocouple sensor -it lights up the Slow Down lights in the dash when the cats are glowing red hot and connects to the rear ecu board. I would take Steve's advice on placement of your new o2 sensor.

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  4. Roc

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    #4 Roc, Mar 27, 2014
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    Thanks Steve & Mike for your help. I didn't climb under the car to verify the location of the sensor and thermocouple. My bad. The two banks will be seperated, so unless I can figure a way to put a second sensor in and couple the two together, I'll just go with the one.
     

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