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  1. ginoBBi512

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    #1 ginoBBi512, Mar 28, 2021
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    Why pray tell didnt Vettel just retire, instead of joining a team that will just remain a backmarker at best? Why did Alonso come back to F1 , just to join another bottom tier team ? He was doing so good in the other race series, Vettel should have done the same thing. Do they really need the money ?Its pretty pathetic to see two such great champions get back in the ring just to get their heads punched in and their teeth knocked out . So what if Louis H has 7 titles, outside of Vellel, and maybe max, hes been winning against an untalented grid, its that simple. Seventy five percent of the drivers / teams in F1 should not even be there.

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  3. technom3

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    Ehh...

    Maybe they actually enjoy f1....

    Maybe they all have the dream of taking a back marker team and making it a champion. It's easy to drive the fastest car to a win... That's why I'm not overly impressed with hamilton.

    To be honest I was not a vettle fan either. The guy is fast but his car was the fastest. He spent so much time at the front he never learned to pass or what it was like to be pushed hard. When he was at red bull it was his race to lose and that's a completely different mindset and skill set.

    I know I'm in the minority here but I respect him for trying to turn aston into something.

    It will likely be a very unwise move... But I'm good with it
     
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    Also what is like to add... Or rather forgot to say is...

    Alonso and vettle etc... These guys must love it because it doesn't make sense for them to do to their ego.

    Think about it they are both world champions.

    They did it.

    They have been to the top.

    They for sure don't need the money.

    It's not a great schedule... It's a tough life.


    They must truly love it. And for that I love them for it.

    I was never a fan of either. But when I think about them doing it for the love of racing or a challenge to themselves I really really like them and will cheer them on... Which is something I never personally did before.

    What a life.
     
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    Thank you for your input, I have to disagree, he and Webber as well as others, had some pretty good battles, and why cant more teams have a great driver and a great car, did you see the Moto GP race yesterday ? !! It makes F1 look as boring as a soap opera.

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    I suppose they have not anything else to do at home. They´re relatively young, they have not done anything else in their lives apart from driving, and if they stop now, they probably won´t be back, so they have to squeeze the few Formula 1 years they have left.

    Anyway, Alonso already has won at sports cars, doing more "Formula Toyota" wouldn´t add much to his life. And Vettel has a lot to proove.
     
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    So, according to you, the championship should be be run with only 3 teams and 6 drivers ?
     
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    Vettel has proven he cant adapt to new cars too well and defeat by younger team-mate 100% so far( Ricci-Charles). Tossed 2 titles at Ferrari and cannot drive effectively or consistently under pressure.

    Not sure what is left.................certainly not the legacy, weaker by the race.
     
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    #9 ginoBBi512, Mar 30, 2021
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    Hello, thank you for you response, I think what I was trying to say, is that when it comes to all of the teams at the back, they are so slow and so far behind Red Bull and Mercedes, why cant they be replaced by people that can build a car and hire a driver that can run at the front. why is F1 mainly about 3 teams and 6 drivers ? Why is it, that Moto GP has at least 8-10 riders / teams that have the ability to win ? If not more . If F1 has become so technologically advanced, and I believe it has, then maybe thats the reason. Something is drastically wrong when one team is winning everything, year after year, after year, like I said before, its the same as when Ferrari was winning all the time. I think Alonso should try his hand at rally car racing, same for Vettel .In the 50s. Enzo Ferrari was quoted as saying racing is 60% car, and 40 % driver, now its seems like its 80 % car and 20 % driver.I mean there is not even a driver out there who can come close to all of the other records Hamilton has set, most laps lead for instance, are you kidding me ? No other driver on the entire grid has even come close in 8 years, seems like a 2-3 team show anyhow, if that. F1 has become a farce, its that simple.

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    I think that is more like 90% car and 10%. As John Surtees said of Hamilton, "he is the better driver in the best car."
    Yes F1 has become a farce.
     
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    Lots of stupid in the world. They still used fuel. Said fuel usage still created CO2.
     
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    I agree with you there. That is why Schumacher career is even more laudable. He was a two time WC and went on Ferrari that had been
    in the doldrums since the 80s and pushed them to the top, and it took them a couple of years. It's not that as soon as he was there they
    became winners.

    Now in the case of the two drivers mentioned, Alonso knew that this was a back-to-F1 year, and if two or three podiums happened he would
    be satisfied. Next year is when the bets are of with the completely new regulations. All in all, judge them next year. Alpine will use his knowledge
    during the year to get the maximum for next year.

    As for Vettel, my guess is that he's not a very adaptable driver, one who changes his style to get most of the car. The fact that AM is
    suffering the most for this year change in the regulations doesn't help. He needs to learn quick to be closer and beat Stroll.
     
  16. johnireland

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    Both Alonzo and Vettel got their championships years ago...and then they were never able to close the deal again. Doesn't matter the reasons, they didn't do it, they no longer have what it takes, their careers as winners are well behind them. Their values to their current teams are purely PR...attracting sponsors who don't know any better. Today they bring nothing to the sport, their driving skills are now mid-field at best...at the very best...with the wind at their backs and on a very good day. As good as the race was, I still found myself fast-forwarding through sections. I know I'm getting old. Maybe F1 is as well.
     
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    I'm always perplexed how people say things in such absolute terms... That they no longer have what it takes. I see it as so short sided.

    They clearly had it while the rookies you don't know if they will ever have it.
     
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  18. DeSoto

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    Alonso beat his way younger team mate. Just one race, and Ocon was unlucky with the yellow flags, and well, it´s Ocon... but at least it shows that he still can do the job.

    About Vettel, well, let´s give him A FEW MORE races...
     
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    You cannot compare F1 and MotoGP. These series have different histories, different cultures and offer different challenges.
    F1 is far more technically advanced than MotoGP, which is depending more on the human factor.
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    Alonso qualified and drove well, what’s not to like.
    Next year, well, who knows, all bets might be off.

    Can’t say the same for Seb though.
     
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    +1 on both scores
     
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    I can think of roughly 17 million reasons I wouldn't retire if I was vettel.
     
  24. william

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    But if that's the only reason he stays in F1, it will soon show.

    Lawrence Stroll will be a fool to keep him once he finds out.
     
  25. Mitch Alsup

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    And then Ferrari drop him like a stone 2 years too early.......and see where Ferrari has been since, 1 WDC from Kimi and a lot of also rans.
     
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    Vettel - Berger is telling you to leave.....................https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/vettel-not-good-handling-f1-pressure-berger/5989510/

    Vettel struggling to handle F1 pressure - Berger
    By: Andrew van Leeuwen
    Mar 30, 2021, 11:27 AM
    Pressure is to blame for Sebastian Vettel's ongoing run of relatively poor form, says former Formula 1 driver Gerhard Berger.

    Vettel made an inauspicious start to life as an Aston Martin driver in Bahrain last weekend, the German classified 15th after being penalised for a late-race collision with Esteban Ocon's Alpine.

    That was after he started the race from the back of the field, a Q1 exit compounded by a five-place grid penalty for a yellow flag infringement.

    The disappointing showing added to ongoing run of poor form for the four-time world champion, who spent the past two seasons in the shadow of teammate Charles Leclerc at Ferrari.

    According to 10-time grand prix winner Berger the issue for Vettel is pressure, the German at his best when he's in a clear team leader role and not being pushed by the other side of there garage.

    "Sebastian is a four-time world champion so he's one of the outstanding drivers, no question," Berger told the In the Fast Lane podcast.

    "But he never reacted well under pressure. Remember when Daniel [Ricciardo] came to Red Bull [he] was very strong and he put pressure on Sebastian. For Sebastian it was difficult to cope with it. In Ferrari it was the same thing.

    "I just feel when you watch him, you feel he's not free. He's not relaxed enough. He's trying to prove things that, at this moment, aren't possible because the car isn't good enough or his own form isn't good enough.

    "When you're in this situation you need to sit down, take a step back and say 'well, take it easy and the success is going to come again'.

    "In saying that he's at the end of his career too. When you've done so many races, when you're already a four-time world champion, then comes a point when maybe you're not in a situation where you want to take all the risks, where you fight like you would fight before you won any races.
     
  27. SimCity3

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    Alonso is better than Vettel. Even after retirement.
     
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  28. ktu

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    If Alonso beat Ocon then it will be no excuse for Schumacher getting beat by Rosberg. If he does'nt, its still no excuse.
     

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