Title and Bill of sale

When I lived in New Yourk state, cars from 1974 and back were sold by signing the registration - there was no title. It's been a while since I lived there so this might have changed.

Bob Z.

 

Don't know about "no title", but there used to be a guy who would supply a title (usually Alabama) with almost nothing in the way of paper-work. He used to advertise in R&T, I think.

Which reminds me: I have a complete set of R&T which I'm thinking of selling. If interested, contact me before it goes on eBay. Cheers!

 

I just went through this in PA.

No title, no car. Bill of sale is no longer accepted as legal proof of change of ownership.

If the title was "Lost", the you'd better find it. In PA, you can't find it without the last good plate and the VIN. If you have those, the state will issue the replacement. But only if you're listed as the current owner with the state. So your name better be on the title. If it's a dead guy, you'd better be the executor of his will.

I had to pass on a very nice Porsche 356B because the lawyer handling the estate was too lazy to go through this. The car is sitting in a lot, rusting away as we speak.

DM

 

S what if the car has never been Titled or Liscenced?

 

You would still have the manufacturer's certificate of origin. Which is what the original title is issued from.

 

Actually, you can send the VIN number to a lawyer in Alabama, as previously stated and for a fee, they can have an Alabama title issued, as long as the vehicle is of a certain age and not listed on the hot sheets. He signs this title over, sends it to you and then you register it in your state, VOILA, you have a legal car.

 

there has recently been a scandal in california and it involved the "title laundering" outfits. People were doing this with kit Cobras and other high dollar exotics to escape paying high fees and retitling cars as vintage. A lot of owners got penalized, as did a few of the outfits that advertise in hemmings.

 

Spyder??? How much??? I could have bought a solid running 1963 356 coupe for $6000 a few months ago. I just didn't feel like parting with the money. How much were they asking?
As for titles, every state is different. Here in Arkansas, you just need a bill of sale for the car and parts if the car in question is over 25 years old. They issue a title and antique license plates. There is also a street rod registration that I haven't ever dealt with. It's for older cars that are not restored to original.

 

Car was very solid, no rust that I could find anywhere. 1 owner under 60K miles. $4000. Coupe T5 1961

It was a super 90, very original, which is what made it attractive to me. It had broken a suspension piece up front in 1971, the guy parked it, and never drove it again. It had all its original bits, including tools, hubcaps, chrome, etc.

DM

DM

 

I bought my 250 in Rhode Island several years ago with only a bill of sale - no titles in R.I. at that time. I then brought the car to NC. In order to title it in NC, I went through a company in Alabama, essentially selling the car to them for $1.00. They then titled the car in Alabama and sold it back to me for $100, all this done while the car sat in my NC garage. I then had an Alabama registration and title that I used to title the car in NC. I don't know if this company in AL is still doing business. I was a little concerned about selling a Ferrari for $1.00 but it all worked out fine.

Bob

 

Exactly what I was talking about, Thank you.

 

That's a heartbreaker, such a nice car going to waste.

 

Sorry, but it was in 1984 and I have no idea who it was. I got the name of the company from the classifieds in Autoweek but I haven't seen the service advertised recently. I will look back in some of my paperwork on my car and see if I still have any info. If so, I'll post it here later.

I'm about 30 minutes east of HP and I know the history you're talking about.

Bob

 

I think they still don't title cars 25 years or older in Rhode Island. When I went to register my 330 two years ago all they asked for was copy of bill of sale and , most importantly, proof that I had paid the state sales tax. I had brought the old Illinois Title but it was ignored. The clerk just started chatting about how her husband owned an old Studebaker Hawk and the paperwork was done! Guess we can wash a lot through this little corner of the country

 

OK, here's the ad from the Aug 12, 1985, issue of AutoWeek:

*TITLES*

NO PREVIOUS PAPERWORK REQUIRED
COMPLETELY LEGAL for ANY pre-1975

P. O. Box 6262A
Birmingham, AL 35217
(205) 324-0611


You have about as much chance of this still being valid as buying the 330TR for $69,500 in the same issue.

By the way, I first tried to get a NC title by using the Rhode Island bill of sale, but the license bureau clerk just laughed at me. That's when I found the Alabama title company.

Bob

 

I read thru this thread but thought I would use your question to answer with. There is a way in Montana to do this also. I have done it on a '97 car(there is no date limit) that only had a bill of sale. Montana requires an Insurance bond for 3 yrs. for the value of the car, they call it a "bonded title". I think most insurance co. know what this, is I used state farm for mine. You get a Montana title with "bonded" printed on it, after 3 yrs they remove the wording. The reason they do this is to protect the state from someone that could claim an ownership in the car since there is no recorded chain of title at the time you apply for the title. States, by issuing a title guarantee you are the owner of that vehicle. The 3 yr period gives them protection, I guess they figure that if someone was going to claim ownership they would do it in that period. Regards, Vern

 

Georgia doesnt require titles on cars made before 1985. i gave the GA DMV a clean Nevada title on my Jalpa . they gave me a clean GA tile only because i had a title from another state and i DEMANDED a GA title for the car. however, if you get an older car from another state, a bill of sale is all you need here to register it. you can also go through the motions later on and get a title for it as suggested with the Title bond post.