Sports Car for a high schooler

Stephens. Check your data analysis abilities. I'm going to break it down for you very simply so you can this time manage to see the important number.

1) 149,445 Drivers age 16-24
2) 12,140 Crashes that involved 16-24 year olds
3 12,140/149,445 = 8%

8%

8%, large enough of a number to support your sweeping generalization of “most teenagers are irresponsible idiots”?. Not unless you think 8% qualifies as most. I will not now, or ever, argue that younger drivers don’t crash more and are at a greater risk of crashing. Nor will I say that 8% qualifies as most.

And when it comes to comments about immaturity where the only piece of my immaturity is "sod off" while you took the effort and time to make this post, and that is your entire post

That post is snide, arrogant, prick behavior. That is all it is. Especially when you were shown wrong. Running off and saying “oh but that wasn’t the point of this thread” is nonsense seeing as you went to the effort to make that post. If you want to take the time find the crash statistics for Australia and show me that in Australia it is different, fine. You want to discuss maturity I suggest you go ahead and say “yeah I was wrong.” Or maybe you could of said "well I was thinking of the range of 16-21" or something like that. Instead you came up with a "its not part of the thread" excuse, when clearly you felt it was seeing as you made a post where that was all you were talking about.

BTW: for Australia’s legislation, those statistics would say "18 are you nuts! Why would we put them on the road when they will crash the most!”

You are going off on the same line that scares people about the smallest of things "doing X will increase your chance of getting Z by 500 times!" Meaningless unless you know what the chance of getting Z is first. If the chance is 5x10^-99, do you really care if you increase it by 500 times? No. Therefor I will not go ahead and lock myself on "oh my god, the rate increases 3 times!" as if that means anything. The rate goes up from ~2.66% to 8%. Who cares? 92% of those people won't be crashing.

 

I tried to be nice, but your ego just wouldn't let it be.
If you believe that increasing the rate of deaths threefold is insignificant then you are a fool.
GROW UP AND MOVE ON

 

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Clean record really isn't enough. I know a lot of kids that can only survive off of peer pressure, along with the reckless loser personality, but their records are clean.

 

Play nice? Grow up? I’ll ask you to note I didn’t bother to harp on your mistake of using the 25+ age group instead of the 35+ age group in your post. That I didn’t bother to call you on your lie about “no one making any sweeping generalizations” when you yourself made them. But hey, I guess you are only able to see your own maturity and no one else’s? Whatever, I’ll continue to play nice then.

As I noted myself, a three times increase is significant. A three times increase that goes up to 8% is not significant to your claim of teenagers being irresponsible idiots who don't know how to drive. I am not arguing anything about relative crash rates. I'm arguing that using 8% of a population to make the claim of teenagers as a whole being irresponsible idiots who can't drive is wrong. If you were making a comment about the more general behavior of teenagers in all fields of life, fine I apologize for harping on it.

 

I see 8% and think that's a big number!

If a manufactured product had an 8% defect rate, unless it was from Ferrari the company would go out of business.

If a construction or heavy labor company had an 8% injury rate they'd go under and probably face huge gov't fines.

 

miata

 

So, a driver aged 16-24 will have a 1 to 10 odd to have an accident in any given year... Looks like a lot to me.
In fact, I've been one of those drivers, and had a tiny accident. It was not my fault, but it could have been avoided if I were a little more experienced.

And giving a twist to the thread theme, I've never felt as happy as the day I got the first car I paid for. Even if it's small and slow

 

oh dear god, did you get out the trouble shovel out to dig up this horror-story thread?

lemme guess, searching for smart roadster stuff?

 

2003 or 2004 SVT Cobra if he has the maturity and the experience to handle a 390hp car 12 second car. This thing is fast out of the box and has serious potential when modified. 0-100mph in 10.4 to 10.6 seconds stock.

 

So most if not all of you would say buying a 17 year old a car like a 360 would be a death sentance? Im only kidding of course. Why not get the kid a imprezza?

 

Get him a Miata with a roll cage, and let him tweak the snot out of it.

If he's a "REAL" driver, he won't give a **** about anything but the fact that the miata absolutely dominates.

 

Hey guys, I agree with whoever was talking it being a question of experience. I used to be a flight instructor and in my time I have seen several accidents that were caused by inexperience. When you tell a teenager that they are at risk because they are inexperienced, they take it as an afront to their social standing. It's not that they're trying to put you down, it's just a fact that with any type of machinery, if you have less experience, you are more likely to make a mistake. We had a 50 some year old doctor spin a Cessna into the tree tops upside down once after he lost control. And I've no doubt that he was very mature, just inexperienced. Man, I'm starting to sound like an old fart!

 

Does anyone have any statistics that take into account multiple accidents by the same people ? i know a fair few people that have crashed/dinted/wrote off 5+ times/cars as well as people like myself that have never even had a dint. As they got older most have gotten into their heads they are ****/poor drivers and somewhat adjusted their driving style. While im sure that new drivers are higher i wonder if the difference is noticably exaggerated by this.

Also any crash and death statistics by at fault, not involved eg if a 40yr old in a 4x4 hits and kills 4 youths in a cheap pos car that would be a 4 person increase in our "young people killed on our roads" tally however they where just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It would be interesting to see how many accidents are caused by young drivers.

Again i do think young drivers are somewhat fairly represented in the data just curious how much the reality and scare statistics differ

 

Cheers, have a beer, smoke a cigar and relax.

 

A fast car for a 17yearold =roadkilled!. Most likely after about 3months after getting this fast car he is likely to go and show it off to some of his friends and girlfriend and as a result he may crash it and get hurt or kill someone.

Im currently in my first year in college and im still not ready for a "fast" car yet. I have known friends back in highschool that has totaled there dads Corvette or Mustang. And you have to think about insurance to and for someone thats well under 21 that **** is going to be a nightmare for any parent out there espsecialy with a "fast car". Sure there was a few sports car owners back in my old highschool but most of them were paying there entire paycheck in just insurance alone.

What other reason why would a person want a fast car? he is likely to race it and wreak it!. I want a decent performer like a Firebird or Camaro, nothing to extreme but basic for a college kid like me. so take it from me that still young dont give a highschooler a fast car. I have seen this many times before and the results arent pretty when they arent responisble.

 

I've been OWN3D

 

Whatever the child got, I'm sure it had a spoiler.

 

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=134756519#post134756519

 

don't feel like reading this, but here is what i think:

buy a car that is not fast/hip (miata) but is still sporty. this way they will learn finess driving and, knowing that their car is not worth showing off in, they will not feel the need to speed around everywhere.

 

I got a yellow S2000 for my 16th birthday with the explicit instructions that if I got into any trouble with it I would never see the light of day. Needless to say I'm now 20 and have never had a speeding ticket. If he gets a sportscar make sure it's a bright color. My mom used to get phone calls from her friends whenever they saw a yellow car doing anything stupid. I couldn't get away with anything.

 

Hey guys im 17 also so i kinda know what kids want!!! I worked my butt off since i was 12 working at my dads companies!! He owns desperado motorcycles and a glass company!1 I have worked all summer 7 days a week from 9-6 everyday from the day i turned 12 and til now! My dad payed for half my first car and i payed the rest I got a 1970 Corvette raodster all stock at time then 2 months into it I did an engine swap consisting of 383ci monster crate motor and 6-71 blower punched out 853 on dyno. Car was way to much for street so I sold it and made all money back plus some and I invested in a 2004 Subaru WRX. With the money I had left I put about 8 grand into mads in the car but now I am looking to sell this car also!! Too many kids are getting them and I work to hard to have something everyone else has!! I want a kid to have my car because it isnt one of thiose cars you have to worry about insurance on and you ae really safe in it. 4 wheel drive, airbags all around, etc.. many mods done to car will sell for 24k if the kid wants a wrx thats built. But I am saving up right now so that I can invest in a M3 with competiton package!!!

 

Well, to start, the WRX isn't easy on insurance. The WRX stock has enough HP to keep almost anyone happy/occupied and adding "$8k" worth of modifications definetly makes it unsafe for an inexperienced driver not to mention unreliable if you replaced the turbo or upped the boost. I could go on all day on why the WRX is a bad 'starter' car for a kid.


BTW, my first car was an '01 Volvo S40- kept me out of trouble, nice interior, fun enough to drive, was hit by a snow plow and was very lucky to be unhurt. Second car is an '03 3.0L 225hp BMW Z3. Third car is an '02 Subaru Legacy GT LTD for school. When home, I drive a 493hp SL55 at least 2/3 of the time-- and thats because I'm alive after 2 years of aggressive driving in slower cars...

 

Yeathe insurance isnt as bad as I thought it would be!! I have full coverage insurance for a student with straight A's, no ticktes,no wrecks, and have a few cars on the insurance policy. we are getting my car covered for 178 a month with me as primary driver and car is also titled under my name. I do agree on the whole having enough horsepower thing to but I did not change the turbno but I did have it ported and ploished just for that extra lil bit of hp/tq but I do agree with you on the faact thata 17 yr old doesnt need that car. I like to see my self as a responsible driver and only go fast on the track very rarely do I go fast on the streets and i mean very rarely. I like to stay alive til im like atleast 67 haha

 

You're care should not be anywhere near anyone without professional experience and/or above 21-- in our lawsuit happy country, you're asking for it.