Predicted FF bottom for early used ones?

I've got my audio guys working on retrofitting the nav to my ff

 

It is the most elegant modern interior that I have seen in any car! The way they have incorporated the giant screen and the passenger display into the dash is brilliant.

 

I like a more spartan cockpit, which is why I love my previous generation 911 compared to current generation Porsches. Too many buttons & such. The Lusso interior has been upgraded very nicely. It's got more of what you'd want, without being overly cluttered...T

 

Agreed. I kind of was planning to get an FF but now would rather skip it and get a 2-3 year old Lusso, still enjoying the manual 612... I would rather spend the money to upgrade my 09 California to a 2014 Cali 30 (with CarPlay?).

 

Certainly!...And I am one of those potential buyers. I would like to pick up one with at least 30K-40K miles or more with the hope that all the kinks would have been ironed out. Moreover, I easily logged around 12K-15K miles easily a year even though I only drive the car 5-6 times a month.

 

So you can pay for a brake job at 50k?

Kinks are worked out in any 3 year old car with over 10k miles.

 

Lots of heavy 4000+lbs cars nowadays that aren't meant for the track have CCB, ie AMG's. It's probably just the trendy "in" thing to have at this moment. On the other hand, the rotor will likely last you a lifetime if you don't track or abuse the car.

So the recommended brake job service interval is every 50K miles? Is it just a brake pads change and brake system flush?...Sure can't imagine it to be overly costly with just that. How much does it cost to pay out of pocket at a dealer? What about at an indy?

 

If you require a new rotor it is not a warranty or maintenance item and they only change them in pairs and they also require new pads. I don't know what they cost today but when I raced in the Challenge we went through a couple of sets of both front and rear in a season of racing and testing. FNA sold us the parts at a discounted racer price and they still were a fortune. I wouldn't doubt you could spend big bucks. Anyone know the current cost?

 

Could someone please post any recent Mannheim or other auction prices? Thanks.

 

Can you handle the truth? Do you really want to know? The bottom is $90K and that's optimistic. I know you don't want to hear that, but anybody who thinks these cars are an investment is doing serious drugs.

If you own one, enjoy it. If you don't have the money to buy one, move on.

 

Dang, I hope you're right. I'd easily live with replacing ceramic brakes at that price. That's a lot of V12, AWD, Ferrari awesomeness for the price...T

 

Yup, checked all the boxes of what I need in a car. For a cup car, I'll look to Pcar's GT3/GT4.

Wow, that's close to a 3rd of the car's msrp. They are made by Brembo and I wonder why similar Brembo CCB parts are much cheaper for other cars, ie AMG's. Obviously, it goes without saying that everything spec'ed under the Cavallino Rampante just had to be higher than most of the other makers.

It shouldn't be difficult to get an aftermarket brake company to custom fabricate steel rotors to be put on along with appropriate pads for the track days.

 

I can't see these cars hitting 90k no way no how.. You see, when the rest of the range/market goes up, a modern fantastic car will not follow price trends of 5 years ago, 10 years ago. Look at the 991 turbo s, gt3... They are not getting anywhere near what turbos and gt3's dropped to years ago because the older cars have went up so much in value, so it kind of balances it out from what I see now and experience with past and modern cars now, IMO of course

As for the ceramic rotors I'm assuming they are around 7k a piece?
People however have used the corvette zr1 ceramics that are apparently the same exact rotors for 1500-2000 a piece?

Any track guy/racer will tell you however there is no point in running ceramics on the track, ever. I took the ceramics off my gt2 and ran a custom steel set and 3 piece rears, I then went to slotted from drilled and they lasted even longer. As long as you have the proper cooling, fluids pads and overall setup, steel rotors can be as good or better than any ceramic rotor (except for unsprung weight/rotational mass) on my cup car I even swapped out the gt3 cup steel rotors for alternatives as they were much better, the factor pmna drilled rotors def wore a bit fast
Porsche pccb rotors I believe also are about 6k a piece , maybe prices have come down

And I agree my preference for track weapons are Porsche

My RUF Gt2 street car I logged 50k miles on and over 20k track miles
Engine leak down was fine, just had to rebuild shocks/diff/second gear and little refreshers

If anyone wants steel rotors recommendation Lmk. Off the top of my head Alcon, girodisc, pfc and of course brembo makes steels

 

I think some may be talking at 90 degree angles here.

Is the $90K the proposed total car price, or price to replace the FF brakes? I assumed the former, given the current costs of 2012 FFs, the debut of the GTC, and the historically sharp depreciation in 2+2 Ferrari prices. If the latter, yikes-a-hooty! I can get another 997.2S Porsche for that much, and I would.

Is the 50K mentioned earlier, the miles for the service interval for brake service on an FF? Or, the cost of replacing the ceramic brakes?

Thanks for insight...T

 

Thanks for the infos on steel rotors options. Indeed, steel rotors are comparable to CCB except for weight/mass.

It's me who got confused LOL. I got confused and thought the $90K being the cost to replace the brakes. That amount for the brakes would be highly unlikely. $90K for brake service on a Bugatti/LF/P1/918...maybe, but still sounds high.

 

has anyone actually done the brakes on an FF? is the price accurate or is it urban legend?

 

Haven't heard of anyone replacing the ceramics on an FF, or F12... On the 458 yes

On mclaren forums people have also talked about replacements, and it seems as if the ZR1 ceramic rotors were a replacement for Ferrari and McLaren for a fraction of the price

Again the prices are like 6-8k a rotor for front and I think 6k rears for oem

I dont think you get much info here because the guys really don't track their machines

The mclaren guys like porsche guys always talk about different setups for their track days, so not as common on here

A company "sicom" can resurface ceramic rotors

And Movit brake company has developed an amazing ceramic composite rotor setup for mclaren and custom for any high performance machine...

I hope we are allowed to link
Carbon ceramic brakes discs - McLaren Life
read about the wear/failure and options

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/317111-%2438-000-pads-rotors.html

 

Are the diameter comparable between ZR1 rotors and Ferrari, McLaren, etc? Does Brembo make the ceramic rotors for ZR1? I'll need to read through those two links...