Thanks a lot for the link Simon. I didn`t know about your vintage race car love & passion?! I`m impressed Simon! I`m happy looking forward to CU in 2 weeks and we have a wonderful thema to talk about in the evening at the Bar
Great pics also Simon....realy nice car indeed! I'm not quite sure but I think I know the type 44 you posted here earlier.. I will find out and return with the ser# if possible....just a sec.
Okay Wolfgang you're forgiven buddy... you're still a good and quick learning student and I'm sure you will soon be an expert! Perhaps I could teach you some extra lessons some time!!!
Wolfgang, my first love is vintage cars and edwardian cars. (A quick explanation, in the UK, Edwardian denotes cars built up to December 1919 and vintage from January 1920 to december 1930) My father used to collect cars from before 1930, so when I was growing up there were always old cars in the garage in different states of repair. The oldest he had was a 1909 Maxwell Q3, one of only 3 in the world. It had no windscreen and could do about 50km/h...thats very fast in a car of that era. Others cars we had were a Lanchester, Ford (Model T) and an Alvis...unfortunately never a bugatti
Thanks for the link Wolfgang......indeed... a Beautiful automobile @Simon, Thanks for sharing you story and the pics.....A fellow prewar car fanatic...thats just great
Simon, you drive me more and more crazy What a wonderful parents house. Oh I think we have lots to discuss during the Italy drive.
Unbelievable, this is actually my fathers old car for sale http://www.europexpo.com/uk/1/100031/fiche.htm Amazing wahat you can find on the net My father sold it about 5 years ago.
I just found some info on the Type 44/37 posted in the thread earlier, but no ser# The car was in 1994 owned by a Dan Margulies, and was former known as the "Raven Special" and According to "Bugantics" The BOC club magazine This used to be one of the noisiest, earsplitting cars on the hills, with eight stub exhausts straight out from the side, and although it had a non Bugatti cowl with just a Bugatti badge on it, it rarely ran with it's bonnet attached. It later gained a proper Bugatti radiator and a suitable manifold. It's mentioned as a handsome singleseater with a good performance... I'm not sure if this Dan Margulies is from Switzerland or not!!! Carsten
Amazing.....the Maxwell looks absolutely stunning, although I'll have to admit that I do not know a lot about this marque!
Maxwell was an American manufacturer that lasted from about 1906 to the late 1920's. I think they were just a victim of the great depression. Dan Margulies...if I'm not mistaken is based in the UK. I seem to recognise the name from vintage racing events I've been to. I think it might be a specialist race or restoration company.
Simon, curious, only 35.5K for such an old (1910) and rare (only 3 ever built). Thats a deal?! Or just a normal price? Compare this to a Bugatti....pfff
Yeah, I know, seems inexpensive, but you have to remember that these cars can't be used like a modern and need constant maintenance. There are relatively few people prepared to use a car like this compared to a much more modern 1920's or 1930's machine. Although this example is rare, there are hundreds of similar manufacturers building similar cars in similar small numbers. This "type" of car itself is not so rare in that respect.
Simon, do you think they will increase in value? I remember very well the early `70th; you could buy Bugattis for 30K DM (uro: 15.000,-). And today...no way, total crazy prices.
@Wolfgang, Your Swiss gent puzzles me quite a bit.....was he at Schwetzingen last year, and if so...with which cars??? Do you remember? @Simon, I think you're right about Dan Margulies.... I can see here that the car also have been at some point at Ivan Dutton's in the UK, and he seems to be the one who sorted out the car to its present state and fitted the exhaust manifold to the car!
Not sure but in 2001 he showed up with 5 Maserati, Ferrari race cars! On each car was his name printed on the door. I`m also still wondering about huis name...its on my lips
@Wolfgang, Some of the very early Bugattis can also be found sometimes to reasonable prices at auctions, compared to the price range of let's say the type 35/37 which are extremely sought after and therefore more expensive and I'll support Simon in saying that the running costs for a pre 1920 car will be much higher than for "never" cars as well as the fact that parts and pieces would be more difficult to obtain or produce and to find eg. drawings and manuals for, if needed!!!
its a very well known name. And after we found it, everybody will say: Aaaah yes, of course....I know him and ....
It depends Wolfgang. Cars that are eligible for the London Brighton run (pre- 1904, I think) are very expenisve. This eligibility date is fixed, but there was talk last year by the group who organise the run to extend the eligibility date each year by one year. This change never took place, but during the time it was discussed cars for 1905 and 1906 were being advertised by dealers at higher prices than before. Eligibilty for events (Brighton Run, Mille Miglia, Le Mans Classic, Tour De France) like these is key to the value of certain categories of cars.
I don't think any car is an investment. If you like the car and you are willing to enjoy it and spend some time and money on it then you may get your initial outlay back when you sell, perhaps even make a profit...but when you add the hours and money invested it makes no sense as a way to earn cash...unless you are a dealer of couse.
I believe that it is about Bugatti Type 37/44 of Christoph Burckhardt (CH), it will be of aillor present at the Grand Prix Historique de Monaco on next 15/16 May. it is a frame of the Type 37 been driven by an engine of the Type 44 (8 cylinders-2991 cm3). More on the Grand Prix Historique de Monaco 2004, here : http://www.acm.mc/gp-histo/gp-histo-intro.php Best regards.
