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Oil leak - quote seems a little excessive

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by akagino, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. akagino

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    Hey guys, I own a ferrari california 2010, and recently spotted some oil drops on my garage floor. Brought it in for its yearly oil change, and to check that leak out. They told me to reseal it (fix oil pan and replace both oil gaskets), it would be a 45 hour job + the parts. Considering they charge 200$/hour CAD here, 10K + tax in man hours only to fix an oil leak seems insane. What do you guys think? Any similar experiences? Thanks! Gino
     
  2. whatheheck

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    I think you need to find a very reputable independent local Ferrari mechanic that can do that job for about half price.
     
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  3. whatheheck

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    Where are you located?

    Im here in Seattle, Washington and we have two great independent local Ferrari mechanics.

    One of them placed 2nd when Ferrari corporate held a Ferrari Technician world competition 4 years ago when he used to work for a local dealer.
    He now owns his own shop.
     
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  4. fatbillybob

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  5. MerlinTech

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    I think a little more information is needed. "Repair" oil pan indicates that it has damage. What is the damage? Why is it damaged? "Replace both oil gaskets", which oil gasket is this? If they are referring to the crank seals which are referred to as "oil gaskets" in the parts diagram, then 45 hours may be on target. If they are referring to the front of engine case gasket, then again, not a bad quote to dismantle the entire front of the engine.
    I am not saying you are getting the most of your service dollar, but given the broad stroke of the description, it may not be a bad quote.
    Maybe a breakdown of the parts they are using will help understand what they are doing for that much time & money.
    Just my thoughts.
     
  6. Ianjoub

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    Brake cleaner is cheap as well.
     
  7. vincep99

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    MerlinTech is right, you should gather more facts.

    I had an oil leak on my 360, which I was pretty sure was the rear main seal. I have done my own before, but was hesitant so I took it to Cauley in the Detroit area. They did a fantatic job for less than what independents were quoting (as I had read on various threads).
     
  8. 2NA

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    You can buy a lot of oil for $10K.
     
  9. DoubleD33

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    Is the new part any better than the old one? Pay 10k and have a leak again in 2030 or sooner?
     
  10. akagino

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    So basically here is the actual text from Ferrari:

    "Removed under panel, checked for leak. Front cover leaking near power steering pump, valve covers leaking as well. Made estimate for reseal".
    I never got the exact detailed estimate, but the guy told me around 45h of work as 200$/h + 15% tax. What I remember is he needs to reseal both gaskets and fix leak.
     
  11. David_S

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    Nobody is going to suggest:

    Remove under panel. Torque any relevant fasteners on any covers near offending "leak/drip" to specified value. Replace under panel. Monitor for any continued leakage.

    Sure as heck worked for me, more than once, but has mostly been on P-cars, never a Ferrari. :(
     
  12. POLO35

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    Well there's an old saying it is what it is if that's the book time for that job then that's what it is. My wife's BMW developed a valve cover gasket leak and the dealer quoted me $1,200 for the job. 800 for an independent. The valve cover gasket was $55 for genuine BMW. I did it myself but let me tell you it was not easy it took two days 5 hours each day slumped over in a hot garage but I did it for 55 bucks. Some repair jobs on cars are just simply cost-prohibitive I'm imagining they probably have to drop some sort of subframe to get to yours and that's why it cost so much. The only oter other option is to just live with it. On my wife's car factory warranty had just run out a month previous otherwise it would have been covered. On a positive note if you'd like to turn a wrench it's very gratifying to save money working on these cars I do all my maintenance on my 348
     
  13. tbakowsky

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    You can't re-torque silicone..
     
  14. yelcab

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    Hah, that is absolutely hilarious. Not to mention that compared to a Ferrari, an old Porsche 911 have about 6 times more interfaces and fasteners from which to leak. Plus the Magnesium case on very old Porsches just hate to keep oil in.

    To the original poster, a wise mechanic once told me "nobody ever promised that owning a Ferrari was going to be cheap."
     
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  15. gsholz

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    It looks like it is the valve covers that are seeping some oil. Not uncommon. Lack of use seems to contribute to these leaks. I'd clean the engine, drive the car and check again in a few weeks. Changing the valve cover gaskets is not difficult but a bit time consuming.
     
  16. tbakowsky

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    And you know this by personally inspecting the car I suppose..
     
  17. David_S

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    So, if you find a couple bolts, nuts, or studs that have gone "finger tight," you can't tighten them to an APPROPRIATE torque, and have some hope of leaks stopping?
     

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