For those sad individuals out there who may be interested I've just found out the original colours of both my cars: The 400 was originally Verde Medio Metallic - Italver. It's light blue metallic now so has obviously been colour changed at some point during it's life (I knew it had been painted but was unaware it was originally green). The 365 was originally Blue Ortis 95.3.6159 Italver. It's Navy blue now - does that match with Blue Ortis ? Interior Trim on both cars is Beige Leather VM 3234 I know some of you have colour chips which may not photgraph too well but but at least I'd have an indication of the original colours.
It's odd finding out that my 400 had a colour revamp some time ago - albeit a very good one. Now I've got a dilemma because I intend getting the car repainted at some point. The question is do I stay blue or go back to the original green ? If the correct green is similar to the 246 Dino image posted by Simon I like the colour. I have time to think this over as I've got loads of jobs to do to my other cars first - what would you do ?
You should go original, even if it's a sucky color. Also, that green on the Dino is not a sucky color. It's got a very appealing period vibe.
I contacted Tony Willis from Maranello Archives who supplied me documentation for both cars. There was loads for the 365 but not too much for the 400 however the original colour and trim was listed for each car. The images below show the order from Maranello to Ferrari, Ferrari's invoice back to Maranello and the Maranello invoice for the sale of the car to Melbourne Garage in Jersey. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks for this Simon, the Blue Ortis colour on the link you sent looks almost black to me. Does anyone have a car painted this colour ? If so please upload a photo as it'll be easier to see on a car than a paint sample.
I noticed that too...& the Marrone Colorado looked off as well. Don't have a car pic to offer but found this: Ferrari 365 GTC/4 Detailed Information
The paint ID is located on a sticker applied to the trunk sill plate (interior/black metal above the license plate & to the right), it is not within the VIN. This is the VIN decoder: The 1st digit Z = Italy The 2nd digit identifies the badge. F = Ferrari The 3rd digit identifies the manufacturer. F = Ferrari The 4th digit identifies the engine. A = 308 2-valve injected USA A = Testarossa European A = 612 Scaglietti B = 308 2-valve carb wet sump Euro B = 408 prototype B = 575M Maranello C = 308 2-valve carb dry sump Euro C = 328 Swiss w/catalyst 1987-1989 C = Enzo Ferrari D = 512 BB D = Challenge Stradale E = 400i E = PPG prototype F = 308 2-valve carb Australia F = 348 USA 1989-1990 G = 308 2-valve carb USA & Japan G = F40 Euro H = 308 2-valve injected Euro I = Not used J = 512 BBi K = 208 Turbocharged K = 348 Euro early L = 308 QV Euro L = 512 TR M = 308 QV USA 1983 M = F40 USA N = 308 2-valve injected Australia O = Not used P = 288 GTO P = 355 w/Motronic 2.7 Q = Not used R = 308 QV Australian R = 348 USA S = Testarossa USA & Japan S = 456 w/Motronic 2.7 T = Testarossa T = F50 U = 308 QV USA 1984-1985 U = 348 Euro late V = F512 M W = 328 Euro W = 456M w/Motronic 5.2 X = 328 USA & Japan X = 355 w/Motronic 5.2 Y = 412 Y = 360 Z = 550 The 5th digit is used for seatbelts/airbag system A = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front B = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front plus 3-point non-inertia belts for rear C = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front plus 2-point inertia belts for rear D = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front plus 3-point inertia belts for rear E = Seen on some 2+2 for Australian market; no airbag? G = Passive restraint system (Active belts with manual lap belts) J = Seen on Euro F40 K = Seen on >1990 Mondial T Cabriolet US versions L = Air bags, manual seat belts plus UCRA* in the rear seats M = Passive restraint system (Canada) N = Automatic passive restraint system P = Air bags with 3-point inertia belts for front and inertia belts for rear R = Air bags, manual seat belts and force limiter S = Air bags, manual seat belts plus UCRA* T = Air bags, manual seat belts with pretensioners U = Air bags, manual seat belts with pretensioners plus UCRA* V = Air bags, manual seat belts with pretensioners and force limiter plus UCRA* W = Air bags, manual seat belts and force limiter plus UCRA* X = Seen on racecars and prototypes Y = Seen on Euro 612 Scaglietti Z = Seen on Euro Enzo Ferrari * UCRA = Universal Child Restraint Anchorage system The 6th & 7th digit identify to specific model 01 = 308 GT4 (ZDF) 01 = 308 GTBi (ZFF) 02 = 308 GTSi 03 = 308 GTB 04 = 308 GTS 05 = 512 BB 06 = 400i Automatic 07 = 400i 5-speed 08 = Mondial 8 09 = 512 BBi 10 = 208 GTB Turbo 11 = 208 GTS Turbo 12 = 308 GTB QV 13 = 308 GTS QV 14 = Mondial QV Coupe 15 = Mondial QV Cabriolet 16 = 288 GTO 17 = Testarossa 18 = 308 Convertible 19 = 328 GTB 20 = 328 GTS 21 = 3.2 Mondial Coupe 22 = Unknown 23 = Unknown 24 = 412 Automatic 25 = 412 5-speed 26 = 3.2 Mondial Cabriolet 27 = GTB Turbo 28 = GTS Turbo 29 = 328 Convertible 30 = Testarossa Spider 31 = Unknown 32 = Mondial T Coupe 33 = Mondial T Cabriolet 34 = F40 35 = 348 TB, GTB & GTC 36 = 348 TS & GTS 37 = 408 38 = Unknown 39 = Unknown 40 = 512 TR & F512 M 41 = F355 & 355 F1 Berlinetta 42 = F355 & 355 F1 GTS 43 = 348 Spider 44 = 456 GT & 456M GT 45 = 46 = F50 47 = 48 = F355 & 355 F1 Spider 49 = 550 Maranello 50 = 456 GTA & 45M GTA 51 = 360 Modena & Modena F1 52 = 550 Barchetta Pininfarina 53 = 360 Spider & Spider F1 54 = 612 Scaglietti 55 = 575M Maranello & Maranello F1 56 = Enzo Ferraro 57 = Challenge Stradale The 8th digit is for the market the car was manufactured for: A = LHD North America B = LHD European C = RHD UK D = RHD Australia J = LHD Japan (also JAP or JPN) S = LHD Sweden or Switzerland T = LHD Middle East X = Other (oneoffs, prototypes & race cars) The 9th digit is a USA CHECK DIGIT for Ferraris for markets other than North America this digit is always a 0 except for Japan where it may be an A or a P. The 10th digit designates the model year and is used only on Ferraris manufactured for the North American and some Middle East markets. On cars for other markets this will always be a "0" (zero) except for Japan where it sometimes will be a "P" or "N". A = 1980 B = 1981 C = 1982 D = 1983 E = 1984 F = 1985 G = 1986 H = 1987 I = Not used J = 1988 K = 1989 L = 1990 M = 1991 N = 1992 O = Not used P = 1993 Q = Not used R = 1994 S = 1995 T = 1996 U = Not used V = 1997 W = 1998 X = 1999 Y = 2000 Z = Not used 1 = 2001 2 = 2002 3 = 2003 4 = 2004 The 11th digit designates the assembly plant which for Ferrari is always Maranello = 0 The 12th -17th digits are the chassis/serial number (Note: Last digit is an even # for track cars & odd # for road cars up to 75000. After that, both even & odd #'s are used for road cars)
Thank you for the jpegs of the documents. I was wondering how much these cars cost in the day, in inflation-adjusted US dollars. I applied the Bank of England's inflation calculator -- Bank of England | Education and Museum | Inflation Calculator -- to the 15,530 amount on the 12 Sep 1978 invoice and got 75,500. I did the same for the 19,306 amount on the 2 Oct 1978 invoice and got 94,000. (I'm rounding the results.) Then I used Google's pounds-to-USD converter. The results are $120,500 and $150,000. At these prices you could buy two 400s for the price of one example of today's equivalent car, the FF.
Me too ! great with beige interior. useful link from Eurospares, if you haven't seen yet Paint Code Cheers, Marco
I like this colour so when the time comes I'm pretty sure that's the colour I'll go for. Just out of interest has anyone seen a 400 in this colour because I don't think I have.
I think if you look hard enough at the forum there's been a link to a car for sale in Italy that was this colour - I reckon it looks very nice, but then mine is brown...
is this the car you're thinking of ? Auto usate: Ferrari, 365, GT4 2+2 AutoScout24 pagina di dettaglio I've recently heard it's still on sale Regards Marco
Well done Marco - that's it. I think the pictures I saw were slightly different, but I'm sure that's it. I think the colour suits the car - so get your paint brush out Russell.
When Ferrari launched its Classiche programme in 2006 there was a 400 in the same shade of green getting the full treatment. Apparently it belonged to a Middle Eastern chap who had two 400s. You can catch a glimpse of it here: Ferrari Classiche - Telegraph Martin Buckley, who loves 400s, was at the launch and mentioned the wealthy Arab chap in this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/2743238/New-life-for-old-prancing-horses.html
The 400 will remain blue for the time being - unless all you lovely people feel like clubbing together and creating a "Put Rusty's 400 back to its original colour 'cos he's a really nice guy and we all love him" fund. No? Thought not. Bastards!!!
