MERGED: Official TOYOTA Super Car Thread

This is hilarious. 12000 of them. Do they know how few people out there can afford 100K+ cars? That is almost as much as all the Murcis, Gallardos, 360s and Ford GTs slated for the next year combined. Do they really believe they could steal these buyers away from these exotic car makers? LOLOLOL.

 

What a joke. The main people that are into Supras and those types of cars are barely even old enough to drive and definatly couldnt plop down $100K for one.

 

Maybe it is a typo??? There is no way there are going to sell 12,000 unless that is the total production run over 10 years! -- maybe not even then!

 

1200 sounds about right. And I bet it will be a BIT more than 100k...

 

I know quite a few people including myself that are reluctant to buy cars like Ferraris & Lambos for the following reasons
1)-Dealer network,the nearest dealer/independent mechanic atleast for me is almost 4-5 hrs.
2)-The reliabilty is the main issue with these cars especially when driven on a daily basis
3)-Putting more then 10K miles on a ferrari or a lambo is a big no no for most of the Guys looking into buying these exotics.
4)-Maintanence is pretty expensive even for people that can afford these cars.
Now here are the reasons why Toyota thinks that they will be able to sell 12,000 cars
1)-So far Toyota has had no problem selling cars like LC/LX-470/SC430/LS430 that cost in excess of $70K+ so they know there are enough people to buy these cars.
2)-Reliabilty & the dealer network are the main advantages for the toyota
3)-Maintanence won't be much either considering the Toyota history
4)-Supras as we all know can easily take 600RWHP every day reliability without any problem so this car won't be a disappointment either.
Regardless of how good this car would be,its still not going to convert future Ferrari owners to Toyota but surely there will be quite a few people who would rather buy this T-car then buying an F-car,JMHO
Yasir

 

Good points, but i still think it may be a huge stretch to think they could sell 12000. How many NSXs sell per year? That should give you and idea. It's the same people.

 

How much horsepower does the NSX have again? Oh yeah, less than the Mustang GT.

 

Yes, but these are branded Lexus, not Toyota.

 

Ah, the label. Got it.

 

How many of you here would have said, even 10 years ago, that Toyota would knock Ford off the #2 position and be lining up GM. They haven't done a whole lot wrong over the past 25 years so I wouldn't underestimate them.

 

You guys don't have to believe me...so here I go:

I'm pretty avid on SupraForums. There are a lot of people that have relationships with people that work for Toyota. (Big positions)

This is going to be a 350Z fighter. It will NOT be an I-6. It WILL have a V8.

I can promise this car will cost no more than 55K. I personally THINK it will be somewhere around 45K. They have a lot of competitors, so that's my guess.

 

A few years back there were solid rumors of a 100K+ 5.0L V10 midengined car being made as a halo car. That is what this car is. A revived Supra would be a lower priced vehicle.

 

Ah Mr Payne, we miss your worthless comments on nsxprime.... I see you are making them here instead.

Have you graduated college yet?

Anyway, NSX sales are pathetic because in 2004 the car is vastly underpowed.

I think at the $100K level, there are a lot of people that buy cars for the name. i.e. Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche. I am not sure how many of those people would pick a toyota over a true brand name sports car. It is a status symbol for them.

For a true track-junkie, the toyota would be much more apealling.

 

I think Toyota should go with a twin turbo V8, V10s are great, but we already have the M5, CGT, Gallardo, and Viper with V10s...and a turbo V8 would leave room for lots of extra power above stock.

Your point?

I'll take an NSX thankyou very much, you can have the Mustang...

 

I never left.

No. You can just look in my profile where I list "Student (Mech. Eng.)". The "Student" means I haven't graduated yet.

Except that was exactly I was implying with my previous post. So why the two previous statements?

 

I'll take the NSX too, what said otherwise? Horsepower is one of many factors in a car buying decision. To not realize the NSX is vastly underpowered compared to it's price competition or even a base Vette would be idiotic.

 

I think Toyota will come out with 2 versions of this car, or even two different cars. 40K 350Z fighter and a 100K high end flagship(probably Lexus IMO). Ive also heard Lexus is developing their own AMG-type models using a gas and a part-time electric motor (400+ hp total), probably will be out in 2 or 3 years.
Toyota is a very smart,conservative company. They will sell a lot of these cars, maybe not 12,000 @ 100K, but we will see. Ford seems to have people lined up to buy a 150K car, so I dont think branding will be a problem...

 

If you build it - Someone will buy it!

 

doesnt lexus have a v12 coming out fot the ls430. lexus shouldnt have any problem selling a 100k+ car. Pretty much every 1 mill and up house in my area has at least one lexus in the driveway.

 

As far as the NSX being underpowered...in today's world......probably.
What you fail to realize though Mr. Payne is that in the real world
the car is not as slow as you may think. My old 93 with bolt on mods is running 12.9 at close to 110 mph. There is not much drive line loss and my car is quite light, so the published hp # might be deceptive. So before you read and judge you should experience the car for what it was built. It is more than just straightline speed that most of us here crave. By the way, the new eclipse puts out more hp than the Elise ( FYI Lotus, Mr. Payne).
I can't get down to the Mitsu dealership fast enough to purchase my new Eclipse!!!
Understand the car.....then you can trash it!!

 

Ummm....I guess you were trying to bash my car knowledge or something...nice try?

Your trap speed is very high. Actually one of the highest I've seen. What sort of bolt ons have you done? Do you know your car weight? I thought the NSX weighed between 2950lbs-3150lbs. To be honest that is one of the highest trap speeds I've seen from a 3.0L non SC NSX. Truly, it looks like you'd have to have 330hp+ which seems relatively hard to achieve with a bolt on 3.0L V6.

Those Elise comments are....dumb? BTW, I do understand the NSX. I realize that is arguably slower than a C5 on a track(I can magazine race if you want). I understand that it is one of the funnest cars to drive. Ever.

 

Mr. Payne,

I don't understand why you bash cars that you have only read about on paper. How many of these exotics have you actually driven?? As for my previous comments, they are to show that you are ONLY 19 and you talk out of your ass. I have no doubt you are very bright, but you lack real world experience. Books smarts yes, Steet smarts, NO.

As for C5 faster on a track than a NSX... I don't think so. Z06, no question it is faster.

If you are ever in Savannah, drop by and we can go for a spin. I will be at roebling racing the car in november.

 

Where have I bashed a car? I try to make the most unbiased judgements possible, so you accusing me of this kind action is weird.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=240229&st=25

Link to all of Sport Auto's Supertest results.

I'll retract my previous statement about the C5 being faster than the NSX because they weren't tested at the same time. However an auto C5 was 2 seconds slower on the Ring and .2 quicker on Hockenheim. Look over those times though. The comm. edition C5 might surprise you. Look at that Hockenheim time...