MERGED: 250TR 0666/TR at Gooding Pebble Beach

IMHO this car is worth no more than the yellow 250 TR from Monteverde.
Current body not completely correct shape.

 

current value? around 12 million for the frame plus 1 million for the "detailing"?

 

even if remotely having the money , the devil number of this car is enough to keep me away.

 

Has been on fire a couple times too!@

 

In my estimation, 0666 is one of the 2 or 3 worst TR's from a survivability standpoint. And the prototype angle is not a huge factor in valuation with two "prototypes" developed and a small comparative number of "standard production" cars built, as is the case with most all purpose built racing Ferraris. I hope the bidders do their homework and know what they are (or aren't) paying for.

 

.......and so based on your knowledge, the price should be........?

 

Here is some video of it running I took a couple of years ago:

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At least 0666 hasn't been given the Ralph Lauren treatment. Just listening to that engine,what ever the number, is a treat. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

I'm sure some of the dealers on this chat room can better attest to the current value, but I would say that a great pontoon TR is worth in the $14-16m range currently and a bad car with enough bits and pieces to lay claim to a TR serial # is worth $6-8m. This car has been well rebuilt and restored, which has led to a "blessing" by Classique, PB, and FCA that enhances it's "pedigree" and value, which means the car should be worth around $8m in my opinion. 0666 has a lot of eyeball appeal, and as we all know, Pebble Beach Magic will probably bring an inflated number that reaches into the $10m+ range.

 

My guess is it is a NS at the end of the day. Based on the press release, the chandelier will be out at $11.75M...

 

Did a watercolour of 0666's cockpit a few months ago. Was auctioned off for a childrens charity event.

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Agree w/Rcw and 4RE. Off-topic (my favorite thing to do!) I used to have the license plate 4RE V12 and even Phil Hill had to ask me to 'splain it.

 

It has been brought to my attention that Pete Lovely did in fact have one of the original engines for 0666/TR. Specifically "GES/6", an equally important engine to the one he assisted me with for another TR.

This was the original engine invoiced with the car when sold to Chinetti in the Fall of 1958 and recorded as such both on the build sheets and the original invoice when the car was sold by Ferrari.

Pete got the engine in the mid-1970s as part of a multiple car / engine deal.

The current owner of 0666/TR was able to make a deal with Pete after he bought the car and reunited it when he did the full restoration.

I wonder how many other treasure Pete had under his desk... wish I had asked more questions.

Ciao,

Bill

 

Indeed the engine came as "spare part" when Pete Lovely in 1969 bought a Ferrari engined Cooper Monaco from Tracy Bird. Pete only later spotted the "kind of funny number" it had indicating it came from 0666TR. Also the first 2 prototype TR's did not have red- but silverheaded engine blocks as can be seen in this photo taken at the Nürburgring 1957.
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These are scenes from the start of the same race.
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WOW!!!!.....Enough TR's in those photos to pay off the national debt......Mark

 

The first photos shows one of the twin-plug, triple carb engines fitted and not a Tipo 128LM / GES works specification TR engine as later and now currently fitted.

Both 0666 and 0704 had several different engines fitted from race to race while the program developed.

The current engine, GES/6 dates from the Fall of 1958 but was raced prior to that in another TR to great success.

Cheers,

Bill

 

Any comment on the assertion that the earliest 128LM motors in TRs may not have have red crackle cam covers?

Jeff

 

This is the engine of 0704TR at Le Mans 1957, also not red headed.
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Thank you. Guess I always thought that with the name Testa Rossa it would have automatically meant red cam covers.

Interesting that 704 was also without any crackle finish; red or black.
Jeff

 

Check out Finn's book, the first ones were definately slapped together affairs, well before the famous pontoon fenders appeared....

He makes comment of more than one shade of red paint on the BODY!

 

I think the first red valve covers were on the 4 cyl Mondial race cars???

(From a book of Phil Hill's memories)

 

The first use of the term "Red Head" or red painted valve cover was by Chrysler in 1928. The Model 72 Sport Roadsters that were raced that year at the Mille Miglia, Le Mans and the 24 Hours of Spa all sported 250 cubic inch, high compression engines that made 85bhp!

The cylinder head was painted red and cast into the design in two spots was the raised name "Red Head."

I have one of these original Chryslers and it will be up in Monterey as my driver next week if anyone is interested to see where the idea original came from.

Ferrari first adopted red painted valve covers on the 500F2 and then later the Mondial, Monza, TR, TRC etc... series of Ferraris. Both 0666 and 0704 had a variety of engines that came and went in early tests and races. Some standardization finally came about with the 18 client 250TRs of 57 and 58.

Hope that helps.

Bill

 

This just in on twitter:
John Shirleys TR sells @ $16.39M including buyers premium!

 

14.9 hammer price