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  1. NEP

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    Canada defeat means consequences says Wolff

    JUNE 11, 2018

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    Toto Wolff says there will be "consequences" following Mercedes' clear defeat in Montreal.

    With a fresh engine spec, Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel dominated in Canada, therefore re-taking the championship lead by a single point.

    "We came to Montreal thinking our car would be strong," Mercedes boss Wolff said.

    "Now we are going home with the realisation that Ferrari had the better car. In qualifying and the race.

    "We need to wake up now. Consequences are necessary, but they are discussed internally," he told ORF television.

    Team chairman Niki Lauda confirmed: "Ferrari had the better car, the better engine and the better fuel consumption. They overtook us in the areas we were ahead.

    "Now something has to happen in every area.

    "We were number 1 in fuel consumption, and now Ferrari and Renault can do better than us," Lauda added.

    However, the F1 legend said there is hope for Paul Ricard in two weeks.

    "Then we'll get our new engine. That should help us," Lauda said.

    World champion Lewis Hamilton, who lost his title lead in Montreal, commented: "Ferrari has the most consistent car. And Red Bull is equal to us now."
     
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  3. Bas

    Bas Three Time F1 World Champ

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    With an old engine Bottas was very close to Vettel.

    It's lewis that didn't perform. Shameful comments from Toto. all about the golden boy.
     
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  5. NEP

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    Mercedes to consider team orders after Monza

    AUGUST 28, 2018



    Toto Wolff says Mercedes may soon need to consider imposing 'team orders'.

    Lewis Hamilton is still leading the world championship, but the Mercedes driver ended the weekend at Spa wondering if Ferrari has a "trick" engine.

    Wolff played that down, saying he has "complete trust" in the FIA to enforce the technical rules.

    But it now seems clear that Ferrari's is obviously the faster, with Sebastian Vettel having won the Belgian GP and closed the gap to 17 points.

    So it could be that Valtteri Bottas is asked to step in and support Hamilton's quest for the championship.

    "I absolutely don't like it and it completely contradicts my racing instincts," team boss Wolff said.

    "We have always tried to stay neutral and have an equal approach to the drivers," he added. "We have never discussed or used team orders.

    "But we'll see how everything turns out in Monza and then decide whether to concentrate on one driver. But at the moment we haven't interfered in the fight between our drivers on the track," Wolff said.

    As for whether Mercedes now needs to add some "tricks" to its own 2018 engine, he answered: "We are not doing tricks, we are innovating.

    "I think at Spa we made a significant step forward and we will continue to do that. This will be a development race that determines whether we win or lose the championship," Wolff admitted.
     
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  7. Bas

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    LOL

    Team orders already applied and executed, Toto:D:D:D
     
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    For the last 5 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    And not at Ferrari ???
     
  10. Tifosi Ferrari

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    It's just a friendly jab to them of fans stating of them not doing it. Ofcourse every team does it.
     
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  12. P.Singhof

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    Difference: Ferrari never tried to convince all the world that they do not have team orders...Toto did although nobody apart from a few hard-core fanboys believe him..

    And what about "tricks" ? One time they say it is not negative and then they say "we don't do tricks" like it is. They never get their stories straight at the first time, they always have to twist it...

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  13. MrF355

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    Toto is full BS stating that there are no team orders. It is a clearly known fact that Bottas was recruited as and will always be the number 2 driver to do whatever is required to assist Hamilton win.

    And before any smart comments, Ferrari has had, currently has and will always have team orders. Commentary about Ferrari team orders is not needed. Kimi knew when he originally signed and if he is in the Scuderia in 2019 which in my view he will be he knows his role is to support Seb to win the WDC as he is currently doing. I just hope lady luck decides to shine on him to the end of the year so as he can finish races and gain much needed points for WCC.
     
  14. MrF355

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    Peter, you are right, when it comes to Mercedes they innovate as they have done for the past 5 years. Ferrari does tricks when they overtake them. Poor form from the Mercedes camp, they should just accept that Ferrari has closed the gap and is slowly passing them. I wonder if they would use the same choice of words if Red Bull were the ones who were starting to overtake them ... I don't think so.
     
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    Yeah no team orders except when you clearly hear Merc telling Bottas not to race Lewis @ Germany :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    "With so much at stake, and after the misfortune of recent weeks, we took the call to tell Valtteri to hold position; it would have been the same if the cars had been the other way round, too, because we needed to protect the one-two and avoid losing one or both cars." <== Toto
     
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  16. Bas

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    Bingo.
     
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    Hope FIA starts pouring over the MB cars like they have over SF’s cars. Very interested in that flexing rear wing-Charlie wake up!!!!
     
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    Or with the red bulls in the past. Oh, flexi wing? Well here's some extra weights....Still passing eh? Well here's some more weights. STILL PASSING? Well I guess we'll put the weights in a different position...
     
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    lololo...pretty sure it was Erisson's fault...
     
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    I disagree that Ferrari has closed the gap and is slowly passing them. Ferrari has passed them and have created a gap with their spec 3 engine. While I felt Ferrari had a slight advantage earlier in the season due to its tire efficiency, that has changed to a clear advantage with a stronger PU while maintaining its tire efficiency.

    The comments from the Merc camp are curious on multiple levels.
     
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    Team orders makes sense. Toto should just suck it up and admit that in the midst of a real battle for the title, there is no space to be cute with driver internal battles.

    I think we all know they need to scrap for any LH advantage they can. Ferrari should be leading the championship currently.
     
  22. NEP

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    Mercedes wheel hole controversy not dead yet

    OCTOBER 30, 2018



    The issue of Mercedes' controversial wheel rim 'holes' is not dead yet.

    Lewis Hamilton may have won the drivers' crown, but Ferrari is still pushing to win the lucrative constructors' world championship.

    And the Italian team is determined that Mercedes' wheels are not legal.

    The Italian press agrees.

    "I would like an investigation into the wheels," pundit Leo Turrini said.

    Umberto Zapelloni, the correspondent for La Gazzetta dello Sport, added: "I do not think Mercedes won the championship because of the holes, but what happened first in Austin and then in Mexico does require clarification."

    What happened at those races is that a surge in form for Mercedes suddenly vanished.

    Ferrari team boss Maurizio Arrivabene said: "I do not want to talk about it.

    "I know the holes were closed in Austin and also Mexico, but I leave the explanation up to others.

    "We must focus on our work and making every effort to win the constructors' championship," he added.

    FIA race director Charlie Whiting said the governing body has declared Mercedes' wheel solution legal, but acknowledged the need for a different approach in the future.

    "Mercedes knew that Ferrari did not agree with our interpretation, and since there was some antagonism between those teams this year, Ferrari did not rule out a protest," he said.

    Whiting said he suspects the protest would have failed, but he wants to clarify the situation in Brazil next weekend anyway.

    "Before the grand prix in Brazil there will be a meeting of the technical working group and we will try to work out a rule that addresses the problem of cooling whilst taking into account any aerodynamic side effects," he said.

    "None of this is new, because as we all know, the air that passes through the brakes ducts is not used just for cooling. But in this situation, one of the teams just wants to get a more precise explanation," added Whiting.
     
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    Whiting essentially telling is all he is favouring Mercedes again - what a shock? No. Cheating isn’t supposed to be rewarded Charlie. Maybe ferrari should Take off the extra sensors the fia made them run, as even if we were cheating, it’s fine apparently. Rerun the races or exclude Mercedes results from Monza on, see how Mercedes like that. I suppose Elton’s fans won’t like it, but fair is fair, cheating isn’t allowed and that’s what Mercedes have done


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  24. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/155307/mercedes-explains-f1-power-unit-changes

    Mercedes has explained the changes it has made to its Formula 1 engine to address reliability concerns it had ahead of the new season.

    The German car manufacturer's engine chief Hywel Thomas caused some intrigue recently when he suggested that Mercedes was battling some 'issues' with its 2021 engine prior to the start of testing.

    Speaking now after the team revealed its new W12, he has detailed exactly what the team has done to make progress.

    "We've completed some work on improving the reliability of the PU," he said.

    "In 2020, we used an aluminium structure which wasn't as reliable as intended, so we've introduced a new alloy for the engine block.

    "We've also made some adjustments to the Energy Recovery System, to make it more resilient.

    "We've got a big challenge in 2021 with 23 races on the calendar, we will need to ensure that the reliability of the power unit is spot on. We've worked hard on that area and hopefully it's paid off."

    One of the major changes that Mercedes has made is in revamping the design of its MGU-K, after feeling that the concept it used last year was not ideal.

    "We introduced a complete redesign in 2020, a very different MGU-K to what we had run previously," added Thomas.

    "It helped us make a solid step forwards in performance, but it was a design that turned out to be difficult to manufacture and assemble consistently.

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    "We had lots of examples where the MGU-K ran a full cycle and did exactly what we wanted it to do, but we also had some cases of midlife failures. For 2021, we've gone back, looked at that design and built an understanding of where the failures have come from.

    "We have changed it for this year, to allow for a more consistent manufacturing route which should help to improve the reliability of the MGU-K."

    Thomas also says that the revamped power unit for 2021 features a number of new ideas that he hopes will deliver a step forward in performance.

    "We've got some completely new innovations that will be in the racing PU for the first time," he said.

    "That was particularly challenging because last season finished late, so the winter period has been shorter than normal and has given us less time to prepare, which put extra strain on the business."

    He added: "We've continued our quest for better thermal efficiency in the internal combustion engine. Most of the developments can be found in the core of the power unit, with a desire for maximum output from the combustion process.

    "Hand in hand with that, we've introduced changes to the turbocharger to minimise the impact on the heat rejection. Those are probably the most striking when it comes to crank power and the performance of the power unit."
     
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    I’m ready for another boring yawn inducing season that I won’t watch or attend or spend ANY money on.

    PS: Screw Allison...

    PPS: The car looks dumb
     
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    Every time I see Allison the word « traitor « comes to my mind immediately.
     
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    Absolutely.
     

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