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  1. Sig. Roma

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    Was watching canale 8 from italy, delayed sky broadcast. One if the commentators noted this years f1 car is 0.8 sec slower than last years car
    Are the teams only able to run a car approved by the fia for the year approved or could Ferrari run last years car. The speed lost is not due to the engine.


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  2. DeSoto

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    They have to run the homologated chassis for this year.
     
  3. william

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    A statement that should bring much head scratching if true .:eek:
     
  4. pilotoCS

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    If last year's Ferrari contained last year's illegal engine, why is this even being discussed?
     
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    I wouldn't call the engine illegal.

    Ferrari found a loophole and the FIA shut it down.
     
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    Loophole = illegal. What's the difference?

    Either way though, because of that, last year's car would not be faster.
     
  7. jgonzalesm6

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    There is a difference between cheating and finding a loophole.

    Finding loopholes in F1 is a constant....then the FIA shuts them down after further review.

    Cheating is what Racing Point is doing with the rear brakes ducts therefore Racing Point is an illegal car that is still racing.
     
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  8. william

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    A loophole is an area that can be exploited because it isn't covered any the regulations (yet).

    That's the legal definition, according to my wife who's a lawyer.
     
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    99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.:D

    Seriously though, if it was a mere "loophole" why all the secrecy surrounding it? So I'm not buying it (loophole).
     
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    There's several reasons but the main reason is so other teams don't exploit it hence the secrecy.
     
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    Prove it.
     
  12. william

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    You can imagine plenty of reasons for keeping that quiet.

    Maybe what was uncovered was to big to be releaved, and both parties agreed to avoid a scandal?
     
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    I can't l....hence as to why it's behind closed doors.

    RedBull wants full transparency from the FIA.
     
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    In a way, that's my point. I've no problem with it being a scandal and I'm a Ferrari fan. The truth should be out there. The question is why is Mercedes fast and Ferrari isn't allowed to be fast. That's the "scandal". Wouldn't we all like the answer?
     
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    I know you can't so it was a rhetorical question. So your previous post was speculation on your part.

    I agree with Red Bull.
     
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    Well Todt is the President of the FIA. Todt used to work for Ferrari.

    Plus, Nicolas Todt (Todt's son) manages Charles Leclerc.

    So throw that into the mix.
     
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    Not relevant.
     
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  18. william

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    I have a simple explanation for that; Mercedes is better.
     
  19. william

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    Maybe, the size of the scandal after what was discovered would have been such to bring an instant disqualification and an exclusion from F1 ,

    I am thinking about antecedents like the Tyrrell scandal, or Toyota being thrown out of the WRC for turbo" irregularities"?

    But it's pure supposition on my part
     
  20. Patrick Dixon

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    Except that it isn't according to the rules. The FIA ruled that the brake ducts are technically legal but the process by which they were designed/obtained was not, so they can keep them on the car even though the sporting regulations were infringed.

    Which is why everyone now wants clarity; to work out whether it's worth infringing the sporting regulations in order to obtain a technical advantage.
     
  21. william

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    That's where technical regulations and sporting regulations don't work in sync.

    To be honest, the FIA brought that mess by being vague about the interpretation of its regulations.

    We don't know yet is the cars are legal or not: even after Racing Point has been heavily fined, they can still compete with them!

    Who knows how this will end up?
     
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    Hold on Willie, I thought your wife was a psychologist?
     
  23. william

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    She is both !
     
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    The comment was "without the engine problem" the car was 0,8 seconds faster. And with the engine the car was a lot faster.
     
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