Karl Troy

+1 That is going too far. His posts are local. His recent thread was not directed toward his competitors.

Other very respected shops are on Fchat too, and discuss various aspects of their businesses -- with no more, or less, self-promotion than Karl.

 

rob,

it would be nice if you could clarify. ferrarioldman is a charter member of the ferrari community and is seriously respected. karl is also a solid guy.

help us understand your issue.

thank you on behalf of all in the regional section.

best,

pcb

 

Geez, the saga continues. It's not enough that the Regional Director goes Mustang on us with the attack on David, now an Administrator weighs in. Keep it up and you'll totally wreck the FCA. Besides being one of the original good guys and a world class mechanic, Karl Troy is needed in this club. GROW UP GUYS!

 

cliff notes please.

 

Trust Rob on this one guys. Everything is being worked out. As far as the FCA matter is
concerned, it has nothing to do with Rob or Fchat. But don't worry, news will be coming
very soon about that also!

 

Not to address whatever is going on here, but Karl is a stand-up guy. He is honest and hard working. He is fair in his work and pricing. And he really loves cars. He has worked on at least 5 cars I have owned, and in fact, my wife is taking my Mercedes there tomorrow.

Not going to comment on the reasons he was banned, as I don't know the story. But I know the guy and he is top quality.

 

I'll explain something about usernames. A lot of users go way back when they could choose any name they wanted and that was fine. But several years ago, we instituted a rule that only sponsors could have a username that related to their business (business name, website, etc). No one has gone through 80,000 names and scrubbed them, but as usernames go by the mods, in the course of reading, we sometimes note if there's a violation or not. If there is, we do something that could be called a "procedural ban". The procedure is we ban them and send them a note to contact the admin to change their username. Early on we used to send PMs asking them to contact the admin to arrange a username change, but we learned that a lot of users don't bother, we forget, and then there it is again a few weeks or months later and we have to waste time repeating. The procedural ban puts the burden on the user to just get it done. There's no penalty intent involved, as soon as the user selects the new username and contacts the admin (Rob), he's back on. That's it.

 

Glad it worked out. In all my time knowing Karl, he has not advertised here...or anywhere. He doesn't need to.

Good call Rob.

 

Thank you Rob for quickly resolving this matter and my apologies again for not realizing that I was breaking rules. If I had been made aware of it before being banned
I would have complied immediately.
Thank you also to my friends that immediately got up to stand by my side.

Sincerely
Karl Troy

 

Glad to see you back buddy, and congratulations once again on the 600!

 

And to think all these years I forgot to bust out the Spam card on Karl!

 

Thank you Adrian. And what 600? Lol

 

You must be slipping too. At least I'm not alone.

Karl

 

Knowing that Rob is very fair, I knew this would work out. And we all know that Karl is simply the best friend a Ferrari Owner could have....unless buying parts and that is Daniel! lol..we really love you guys for who you are, not what you do.

 

that is a pretty nice and meaningful endorsement!

and yes, rob showed good form for nicely informing those concerned and quickly fixing!!

pcb

 

David, I appreciate the love as I am sure Daniel does, too. But please remember, I am married. lol

Karl

 

I understand that, Rob. What I am saying is he has never marketed his business here. I've seen sponsors here try to "sell" themselves, not merely have a link to their website. Karl never did that, so I am sure his using that info was just that...info. Hey, rules are rules...and I know Karl would follow them had he been aware. And kudos to you for the final resolution.

Personally, if I didn't know Karl and I had a tech question, I would give more credibility to his user name than to, let's say, just some guy named Rob

Ah, what a community.

 

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, Rob. I was trying to be polite and just let you know that I think you handled this pretty well.

Now, however, as a friend of Karl's I take offense to your statements above. Karl does not need to "play the game" nor did he push anything to far. You aren't Sherlock Holmes and Karl isn't Moriarty, diabolically trying to get away with something.

I've said it before, but you not knowing the area or Karl clearly have no concept, and it clearly "doesn't click with you". Karl doesn't need to advertise. He doesn't need FChat to survive and put food on the table. His business does not rely on the Ferrari community alone...and those of us IN the community knew of Karl independently from FChat. I didn't see the post you mentioned, but from what I heard, Karl was thanking his customers and friends...not soliciting business.

In one sentence you agree that Karl never tried selling himself...then in the next you say he knowingly pushed the envelope, contained within his small lair.

I get it...rules are rules. But to say that Karl intentionally skirted the line for his own gain is ridiculous...and insulting. You would have had more credibility if you just said "Rules are rules." End of story. But instead, you chose to incorrectly characterize Karl as trying to get away with something...and he got caught. Sherlock Holmes was good, but even he couldn't prove intent.

I've heard of people being banned because they took personal shots at others. What you said about Karl fits that category. Good to be the King.