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  1. 635CSI

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    As an aside , green lobby groups have managed to get the courts to overturn the building of a third runway at London Heathrow.
    The judge said the runway was inconsistent with the UK’s commitment to zero carbon emissions.
    Clearly any attempt to overturn the ICE ban would be defeated in the courts on similar grounds.

    So due to the CONSERVATIVE government’s adoption of a frankly stupid zero carbon target and its declaration that the country is in a ‘climate emergency”; the law is on the side of the green lobby.

    The self flagellating guilt of The West will be it’s downfall?
     
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    No one will protest in the streets that they didn't build another runway. But they will when their cars are made worthless. Most people can't afford it. It will make France seem like the warm up to the warm up.
     
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    One certainly wouldn’t invent our very stupid economic and societal system if we started again, going to be hard turning all the vested interests. Ignoring climate change and deniers, am not clever enough to know what’s right, we definitely need to clean up[ our act and use resources carefully and cleanly.
     
  4. FFantastic

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    Greta is today rebel rousing in Bristol. The first city to publish a soon to be law ban all diesels from the city with petrol vehicles soon to follow. The ultra green mayor has invited Greta to wind up the kids at a mass rally. The police have put out a public notice that they cannot guarantee anyones safety owing to the expected numbers going to Bristol from all over the country.

    Where will it all end????
     
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    My question will be: If one bans all (petrol/diesel) cars, who will be visiting the city?

    Oslo in Norway have done something like this by using tolls to prevent cars, of what-ever-version, to not be able to get into the city center. Result is that less people are in the city....

    Will the city centers be crowded by cyclists only or? You simply can not blame e-commerce for the lack of people in the city's and stores going broke - that is a bit to simple. I think it is more the other way: Why spend time to get into city center when I can order from e-commerce sites instead - I as a car owner is not welcome anyway....
     
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    Well, the Greta rally was a damp squib, literally as it was pouring with rain. poor things.

    Still it didn't stop the A320 Airbus landing at Bristol.................
     
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    Poor things were probably blaming the acid rain on global warming and forgot their raincoats and umbrellas are made from oil products


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    Jerry I subscribe your prediction for 2032 and to corroborate it I post a graph below showing the evolution of the ICE thermal efficiency through time. The ICE never stopped improving its efficiency and the latest developments are very promissory for delivering until 2025 a production-ready gasoline engine that approaches 50% thermal efficiency. Some premonitions that stated that ICE where condemned and in a decade would disappear and everything would turn electric powered, have shown to be very wrong. There is still a long way to go but if the ICE efficiency has been improved almost 25% during the last two decades one day, eventually, it will approach the efficiency of electric motors.



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    That is interesting Mario. Also, what happens if a synthetic petrol substitute is developed which produces no harmful emissions? "They" (the science and smart people) are working on that right now.
     
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    Jerry, if a non harmful emissions synthetic petrol is developed like you suggest, at a viable cost, and combined with the more efficiency ICE of the future, then the paradigm shift to electric cars becomes a fallacy.
     
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    Trouble is...
    If they are banning the sale of ICE after 2035, why spend any money on engine development?
     
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    It takes a lot of electricity to produce synthetic fuels. However the huge advantage this electricity doesn't need to be available locally. That means synthetic fuels can be produced anywhere in the world you just need a global production and sourcing strategy. If the aspect of local availability of renewable energy doesn`t matter anymore it the energy can be classified as an unlimited resource. Therefore the amount of energy which is used to produce the synthetic fuel really is not of any interest anymore.
     
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    A ban on fossil-fuelled cars is now on the EU agenda. The debate followed a proposal by Denmark that EU members should be free to ban sales of oil-fuelled cars from 2030 or else have an EU-wide strategy to phase out such fossil-run cars. Nothing has been decided yet but there is a strong possibility that Denmark's fundamentalist proposal will only be accepted by some EU members. Now there are 10 countries that supported the idea but the other 17 still have a word to say.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see.
    Yet another attempt at environmental lunacy from our toss-pot government.

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    Sorry for the repeat.
     
  20. REALZEUS

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    She makes some valid points, but she is obnoxious and an exaggerator. She is also a hypocrite, who commissioned a million Euro carbon fibre boat to cross the Atlantic, an act that inflicted a huge environmental impact. In other words, a spoiled, rich brat...
     
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    What valid points?


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  22. REALZEUS

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    The climate change is a real thing.
     
  23. Borrow’d Mine

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    Well that’s rich. If I tell the world there are four seasons I wonder if Time magazine will give me Person if the Year



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  24. REALZEUS

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    She is championing for the climate, which is indeed in danger. Withing that context she makes some valid points. She is hypocritical and self-centred, but she is not wrong about everything she says.
     

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