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Discussion in 'FF/GTC4Lusso/F12/812S' started by Jljr, Feb 11, 2020.
Well I think they did that by going public.
My apologies. It's your money. If you want to blow it on hookers and blow, or Ferraris, you should.
And the rest you can waste.
Yes, this is absolutely correct.
You do realize the alternative right? They'd be the cash cow inside the cash strapped FCA that is struggling to find sales volumes and now had to resort to a merger where they will be the second fiddle? What do you think the corporate overlords would do with this cash cow? They'd milk it. It wouldn't be very different. Except they could play even more games as the scrutiny would be a step removed.
McLaren and others have forced the game to change.
I don't think you can use the rules of the game from 2014 today. Life goes on. Keep it simple friends: the best car advice I ever got was buy what you love and can afford.
Yes, the landscape has changed and will continue to do so; mostly as a reaction to outside influences. The issues of climate change, fossil fuel emissions, electrification, etc. are among the standouts. What about the preferences of the younger and up and coming generations; are they inclined to desire straight shift transmissions, high power muscle cars, large and noisy Harley motorcycles, and other hold overs from prior generations? Aren’t they more interested in electronic displays and, autonomous vehicles, tech based bells and whistles? Times and wants change as do the Ferrari offerings. I agree with Caeruleus that one should buy what they want; not what they think someone else at a later date may or may not desire.
I am too late to the party to have ever played the game. I did see how it worked back in 2014 and I wasn't able to get a new Ferrari at the time.
But is it helping or hurting the 812 market? I had heard that it would help by requiring ownership of the 812 to get the GTS.
See above edit in caps...Maranello tracks this VERY closely when it comes to who gets a GTS.
I expect next year, when GTSs arrive, many 812 will hit the market
I have that part covered. I am looking forward to getting it in the next six weeks or so. The SA told me they would do right by me on the trade for the GTS but I have doubts about how well I will do on the 488 when I trade it for the 812.
I’d say you are doing *quite* well!
Slightly off thread but fully loaded a GTS is a very expensive car by the standards of Ferrari say 3/4 years ago. Don’t expect premiums.
Thanks to all for the great feedback relative to valid reasons for a growing number of 812’s currently for sale, expectations that for sale numbers will increase as GTS orders are filled, and pointing out there are many moving parts as Ferrari continues to introduce additional models. There is, however, another very real factor that has not been mentioned and has the potential to create disruption in our expectations- a global economic recession. The economic growth of the past decade has been unprecedented; I.e., rising employment and wages, growth in productivity, and real wealth created by a booming stock market. Many in their 20’s and 30’s have never witnessed a recession or prolonged stock market correction of 20-30%. When the recession and correction comes, and it will, all bets are off.
Again, all late model exotics are super soft. Too many nice cars chasing too few interested parties with sufficient dollars. It’s really that simple.
Smart people make money no matter what direction the economy goes. Collector cars (etc) took off starting around 08....
A bit simplified: As long as US has the same president as current, the US economy at least will not be "allowed" to enter recession.... That would jeopardize the reelection....
Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with US election of current or next president - nor has I any kind of interest in that process, this is just something I noticed.
That's generally a solid rule to bet on. However, come the first year of the new term, anything goes.
So for years now the jaded have called the California and T a Sissy car. So in 5 years will all these goofs start calling the 812 Superfast GTS a Sissy car? Just wondering.
Not at all, the 812 is all muscle. No comparison to the Cali. This is not a slight to the Cali although it's not for me.
Not a chance.
I completely agree. It seems to me that we are to get used to this rapid new model introduction and an accelerated initial sell off of current models as Ferrari strategy has changed. You see it with 488, 812 and soon enough with the next model. As said above, buy to enjoy it.
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