Thats a very good point. I think for some of us we are sometimes equating electric cars with autonomous cars. I think that transition will not be the same as from horses to cars but it will be closer to that. Maybe it will be more like from the first cars with manual cranks and manual transmissions to like the cars of today?
And also consider the disruption if many vehicles become autonomous- the lost revenue from various motoring fines (speeding, parking tickets). Your property taxes might skyrocket.
Think of the opposite experience. Driving through the most beautiful locations on earth in... complete silence. It's fun just hearing birds with the sunroof open on my 360 over the valved exhaust. Something completely silent would be awesomely eerie. Strange and utterly novel. I would love to experience that, but please don't make my 360 illegal.
In the case of today's V12's Ferraris the evolution to a light hybridization system already is a fact in the La Ferrari and has been announced for the future models. Despite my personal preference being always for a pure Ferrari without any kind of electric motors and extra batteries helping around, I understand that hybrid is possibly the only way of extending the V12's future. I hope I won't see the day when the only manner I can listen to the great sound of a Ferrari V12 engine will be in a digital form through fake exhaust pipes that in fact are speakers.
Compared to the billions saved on accidents, productivity gains, and congestion savings, your lost parking ticket revenue will be a drop in the ocean.... https://robotenomics.com/2014/02/26/morgan-stanley-the-economic-benefits-of-driverless-cars/
Until today I couldn't find a study that enters most variables - the majority takes only a certain perspective. Can driverless vehicles mean: < less drivers (jobs) < less accidents < insurances < less health professionals needs < driving schools < traffic police needs < mechanics needs < taxis (probably) < driving pleasure / hobby > better resource management (time, fuel, consumables) > traffic efficiency (less cars needed) > IT expert needs (jobs) ? less vehicle sales, less automotive industry (even though world population is increasing) ? impact in the road infrastructure - since routes will be controlled so investment will be made directly according to real use - probably it will have a great impact in road construction => we can use our time for other activities Probably this is why most automotive big brands are entering the sharing economy. This is for sure a big change in the way we live.
Self driving cars is completely associated with a dark dystopian future in my mind. It is depressing for me to think of a time where we are no longer freely mobile... Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
No self-driving car would go over speed limit...so think of all those ridiculous long roads in the middle of nowhere with an idiotic speed limit of 35 mph...there you will be humming along surfing social media to keep from committing suicide. Boring...controlled...cog in the giant wheel of humanity...a worker bee... The billionaires laughing. Dystopia is right.
Yes, I have several friends who insist that people will never adopt to self driving cars because they will be super frustrated when they could get places much faster and the car just won't DRIVE. My humble opinion is there are probably too many variables for anyone to make a truly accurate prediction but I think the future about 20 years from now might look a bit like this: Fully autonomous ride sharing vehicles in densely populated areas- like cities. You will still be able to buy a car with a steering wheel and drive it when you are outside these areas, but when you are inside these areas you have to switch on autonomous mode. I also think this means that while some cars will remain more generalized use vehicles- like how we use SUVs and just regular cars today- it also means there is a greater opportunity for specialized vehicles. So, this might end up being a boon for exotic cars as there might be more places that get created to use them- think track days and even specialist rallies / drives in sparsely populated areas. I don't think its going to be all one way, I think its going to be a mix of things.
Speed limits will be increased because autonomous cars can handle it and it will help relieve congestion IMO
Can I have what you are smoking? I think people are getting carried away with this idea that self-driving cars are going to be mandated everywhere...they won't. Inner cities...yes. Plenty of people will be driving around suburban and rural roads the old fashioned way...human drivers and automated will be intermingled.
Spot on. In a country (where I live) a $1bn in fines is collected every year (for mostly BS low level "speeding"). With autonomous cars "no fines" no east money. Government only like tech that benefits them not the other way around.
I agree, although it'll feel pretty pointless to raise the speed limit if I'm not actually at the wheel! Kind regards, Nuno.
Self driving cars won't work in a real city. In London rush hour pedestrians will just step infront of them, the sensors will react stopping the vehicle dead. More pedestrian will follow and the car will not be able to get going again.
There in lies the key to our problem. I have nothing against electric cars, nor much interest in owning one. Our problem is our cars being made illegal to use.
Someone who is actually examining the appropriateness without jumping on the tech bandwagon. Refreshing. There are many hurdles to true autonomy that today are not solvable or practical.
Revisiting an old thread here, but comments from the Ferrari technology chief in the R&T interview imply no hybrid V-12 and V-12 remains NA and large.capacity https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/geneva-auto-show/a26789176/ferrari-michael-leiters-hybrids-interview-geneva-2019/ With a large capacity NA V12 unable to meet future emissions regulations, has Ferrari decided to send the V12 slowly into the sunset by not developing it any further (e.g through hybridization)? Interesting that he says "we will fight for the V12", but as we all know, it is a big uphill fight. If that's the case the Lussos and 812 (and their derivatives) will be the last V12 It would be interesting to the AM Valkyrie's V12 "fights" or whether it too would be impossible to continue beyond a certain point in time when the regulations become too heavy. For the next hypercar, an F1-dervied hybrid (same approach as Project One) might be the way forward. Very interesting times
More... http://www.thedrive.com/news/26927/ferrari-has-no-plans-to-downsize-hybridize-or-turbocharge-v-12s Ferrari Has No Plans to Downsize, Hybridize, or Turbocharge V-12s Ferrari V-12s will forevermore be big, naturally aspirated, and unassisted by electric motors Ferrari executive has confirmed that the automaker does not plan to compromise the soul of its old-school, naturally aspirated V-12 engine. "We will fight for the V-12, to maintain it like this today, because it is core Ferrari," explained Maranello's Chief Technical Officer Michael Leiters in an interview with Road & Track. Leiters promised that Ferrari V-12s would remain naturally aspirated, high-displacement performance engines and that its smaller V-6 and V-8 engines would be the ones bowing to tightening emissions regulations. "It's very important to differentiate which car I want [a hybrid system] in," Leiters continued. "If we're doing a V-12, I'm not thinking about hybridization. It's a contradiction. Maybe we would get a little reduction in [fuel] consumption with a hybrid, but it doesn't make sense. To get the full potential of a hybrid, we need to downsize the engine. With a V-12, naturally aspirated car, we don't have that downsizing." Soon, Ferrari may not only be among the last automakers selling cars with V-12 engines but the last selling vehicles with naturally aspirated, non-hybridized V-12s. The engine format is gradually disappearing from even ultra high-end cars in the six- and seven-figure price ranges, with longtime user Mercedes-Benz seemingly ready to drop V-12s from its flagship S-class luxury sedan. Though rival supercar manufacturer Lamborghini has expressed similar commitment to naturally aspirated V-12s, even its Aventador (or successor thereof) is reported to use a hybridized V-12. The imminent near-extinction of non-hybrid V-12s might sting were it not for the fact that Aston Martin has made hybrid V-12s more attractive than ever with its 1,160-horsepower Valkyrie hypercar. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.sasknewsnow.com/ferrari-s-next-v12-supercar-won-t-be-a-hybrid-12230.html Ferrari's next V12 supercar won't be a hybrid
These emissions rules are confusing. Are they based on each individual car or a corporate average ? Anyways Lambo seem set on doing a V12 hybrid was hoping Ferrari would follow in the same path They can down size a V12 to 4.0 liters and create a high reviving hybrid assist engine should be able to save weight and make up some of the gain from the electrics part
This is an interesting change of tone from Ferrari. A few years back they said it would be 8’s with turbos and 12’s with batteries.
Well, LaFerrari is a V12 hybrid, so this NA V12 stuff has me scratching my head. The horse is already out of the barn. If they mean for the main line GT and 2+2 cars (and maybe the Icona series), well okay, but I don't see Ferrari releasing another NA V12 halo car with no hybrid elements after LaFerrari.
I think maybe a change in their business strategy changed their plans. When they originally said the V12 would have electric assistance it seemed like a blanket statement. Regardless and whatever the case it is great to hear this. Long live the Ferrari V12. The best V12 ever.
