How rare on sunroofs on the 400i?

I have a list of 400's, 400i's, & 412's in the US. The total of these cars imported to the US is around 200.
Of those 200 or so, I know of less than 5 US cars that had factory sunroofs installed. My 1980 black on black 400i is one of them.

If owning a 400 series car is your goal, but a factory sunroof is a requirement, I'd say you're going to be looking a very long time.

Dave
'80 400i s/n 31243

 

Any idea on the number of 365 GT4/2+2s in the USA?

 

Have personaly had 5 400's and all but one had a sunroof, maybe the US spec car had a cost sunroof option and in the UK a none cost option (or could just be more people over here wanted the sunroof for the 2 days a year it can be opened)

 

There is a silver 400i with red/black interior (my favorite color combo) for sale in LA and if you look closely at the photos you can see a sunroof.

http://www.chooseyouritem.com/exotics/files/120000/120066.htm

 

Sunroof? Yes.
Factory sunroof? NO.

Its an aftermarket installation. The factory sunroofs were steel panel. That car has a glass panel. Its probably an ASC, Webasto, or Hollandia sunroof.

bj; my car is an automatic (I just had a complete rebuild done on the tranny)


Dave
'80 400i s/n 31243

 

Sorry, my list starts at the 400 model and doesn't include 365's.
Yours sure is in nice shape.

Dave
'80 400i s/n 31243

 

400i serial number 43123 is a 1983 black/tan auto that was for sale in California in October of 2005. It has a sunroof.

Sorry but I don't have any contact info.

Dave
'80 400i s/n 31243

 

Out of 1,308 400i cars made from 1979 through February 1985, only 424 are 5 speed. Stateside at least, the factory sunroof is very rare, I think I've seen a handful. The only 5 speed with a sunroof I've seen is s/n 31097, a 1980 Blue/Cream with an ASC sunroof. S/N 31243 is a 1980 automatic Black/black (Dave's) and there is 1984 s/n 53901, a White/Tan automatic with a factory sunroof.

John

 

So you have found a 5-speed in silver with black/red for sale? Do you have any more details (website/price/condition)?

I came really close to buying the brown/tan (much nicer in the flesh than it sounds) 5-spd 400i from Peter Sweeney at Forza, but it was sold on eBay the day after I tested it (I didn't know it was up on eBay!).

Aidan

 

BJ,

Back in the 80's I worked for ASC in both the sunroof & McLaren division.
I thought I'd give you some pointers to help you identify the various sunroofs/moonroofs that are out there.

If the sunroof panel is glass, you know it is aftermarket installed.
If it is a steel panel but there is a trim ring or reveal molding affixed to the roof opening (not the panel), you know it is an aftermerket installation.
Another "tell-tale" sign of an aftermarket installation is if the front edge of the panel has a pronounced "sweep" or curved edge.

A factory installed unit would have a "rectangular" steel panel, no reveal molding, & front mounted motor.

I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to get a picture of the inside, but here is a picture of the outside of mine.

Dave
'80 400i s/n 31243
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Did you get the serial number and mileage, by any chance? It's no longer on the website.

Thanks,

John

 

Looks nice - they look great in grigio, too. The leather seems to be in good condition.

It has 412i indicators (white lenses); the passenger door looks a different colour (lighter) from the other panels.

I'd be interested in your thoughts if you go and take a look at the car.

 

I looked at the white building reflected in the door and it seems to be lighter than the reflection on the wing. I hope it was just an optical illusion.

The price seems reasonable for a 5-spd, although it would depend on the service history and condition of the exhaust, clutch, rear shock absorbers, etc., as I understand these are hideously expensive to replace. Does it have EPA/DoT papers?

Aidan

 

Never mind, it is now in FML s/n 50679

John

 

You probably already have these figures, but just in case:

Total Production 365GT4
1972 3
1973 227
1974 120
1975 126
1976 60

Dave
'80 400i s/n 31243

 

Doesn't say much: "Grigio titanium with red leather. California titled and licensed. Four owners. 70,200 miles. $24,900" Excerpted from Ferrari Market Letter V 31 N 7 April 8, 2006

The car is desirable with the 5 speed and looks to be in reasonable cosmetic shape. With 70K miles and no mention of any kind of service history, the value of a thorough and proper pre-purchase inspection cannot be overstated.

John

 

But if it checks out, it is a nice color combination.

 

I do. Mine is one of the November 1975 cars.