GTO Spyder for sale

So confusing . . . Perhaps they should add a class M-3 for Ferrari custom coach work and resto-rods. LOL!

If I were a Pebble Beach judge, I'd require that each of the owners left their cars and keys with me. After spending half a day with each car (doing super secret testing) I'd return with my winners. Envelopes left under the seats encouraged, but by no means necessary.

Aren't the winners pretty much decided in advance anyways? (not meant as a joke, just what I've heard)

 

Terry in a lot of ways I think you are right. My first post was in reference to why destroy a good GTE? If it was a write off a chasis or a problem car I see no problem with a rebody. But if someone took a decent GTE and hacked it to make a GTO replica I do have a problem with that. It's still a Ferrari, why some people take beautiful drivers and make them into something they are not is beyond me. In the long run, I believe that a rebody will never be worth as much as the original donor or the original it is trying to immitate. It would still be a lot of fun driving, but at what expense?

 

Taking into account that it's a "spyder", this car seems to be visually out of whack...odd proportions, I can't put my finger on it.

 

Much as I like GTEs, I have to say I like this car quite a bit. And, I think Terry has it pretty much right on.

That said, I'd hate to see someone take a perfectly good GTE (or even a marginal one) in this day and age and rebody it. There are getting to be few enough GTEs left, and there are enough rebodies already around.

 

If you believe these web sites Giotto Bizzarinni, chief sports car engineer on the original 250 GTO, saw this car and admired it.

http://www.motortrend.com/autoshows/events/c12_0508_2005_concours_at_cranbrook/

http://www.vgdauto.com/gtotopless.html

 

Exactly. It's ugly thats why! I agree 100% with Marcel.

RIP 250GTE

Vasco

 

I'm totally with Terry on this, and IMO, I'd say Jim brings up a few good points about the hypocrisy of the situation.

Hey, I keep buying cars and destroying them. Hopefully one day I'll have a 250 gt swb i can wrap around a telephone pole. They're sheet metal, leather, rubber and plastic. Get over it.

--Dan

 

This may not be word-for-word accurate but was it a Mr.E.Ferrari who said something like "I will sell you the chassis and the engine - you get the body free" (please correct for the exact phrase and speaker), which sort of implies that you can do what you like with the body.

Marcel is clearly a purist of the most fanatical disposition and will never be convinced that a rebodied Ferrari is a "real" Ferrari, however, he is entitled to his opinion as everyone else is to theirs. Taking this to the nth degree I don't think any car can be perfectly original unless it has NEVER turned a wheel, which defeats the object somehow.

In due course I expect to be castigated by MM for my destruction of a future classic...
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I should really have checked the extradition laws between UK, Singapore & USA before I posted my last message...

 

Did someone cut off the roof of one of your cars during the middle of the night?

While I believe the samething that you do, that cutting the top off of a 250 GTE is a shame. It is NOT your car. I know that people are passionate about the Ferrari heritage, but who are you to judge what someone else might like. Who are you to use words like destroy, fake, and say that they should go to jail. What person would spend that kind of money and not know that there was never such thing as a 250 GTE Spider. No one thats who? So, no fraud is taking place.

I would not even consider putting a TUBI exhaust on my car. But does that mean that I think that the people that do should go to jail. And then tell them that they just destroyed there car. Plus now there car should not be considered a Ferrari. Come on.

Belive me I know the History of Ferrari and I spent a lot of my life working to afford my Ferrari. I also know what it takes to keep one in original condition scoring 98 points at the cavallino. BUT in reality it is a car. Yes, It is a Ferrari but it is still a car. And it is NOT EVEN your Car.

SO take a breath relax and realize that when you go off on your rant that you look a little over the top.

OH by the way don't ever take your Ferrari in for major service, because once you do it is no longer considered a Ferrari because your spark plugs are not original. I know that this example is crazy, but where do you draw the line. When does a car stop being a Ferrari. And who makes you the ultimate judge? It is still a Ferrari. Maybe a damaged one in my eyes but still a Ferrari. In someone elses eyes it could be the most beautiful Ferrari in existance.

I would not want to see what you say about people that do not believe in the same religion as you do. If you are so angry at what they do to there own cars.

 

I'm on the fence.

I think destroying an intact vintage automobile is in bad-taste, but I also understand that people can do what they want with their property. If I was in the position to do so I'd order up a new chassis/body and source an engine that would be appropriate (e.g. older V12, hopefully Ferrari).

On the other hand, I think what Jim is doing is pretty badass and I fully believe that it's going to look & perform better than the Enzo. If he did it 20 years from now? Back to my original point...

 

Can someone explain me the difference between a guy who removed the body on his 250 GT 2+2 and put then a replica body and this Phantom III with the body removed by the Talibans before US intervention ??

For me, it's the same work and same result : a wonderful car destroyed by ignorant people.
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I fail to feel any respect for this GTO Spyder. I cannot look upon it as anything else than a chopped up GTE. On the other hand, I feel differently about the before mentioned 330GTS Michelotti and 330GT Drogo. I realize it is somewhat hypocritcal, but when the chop or rebody is done by a coachbuilder recognized by the factory, or a coachbuilder that has played a decent role in Ferrari-history (like Drogo, Michelotti, Pininfarina, Vignale), I have no trouble accepting the car as a genuine Ferrari, no matter how it looks.

 

This should be in the P&R section. Old Ferraris are more religion than art.

Ken

 

IT S NORMAL KEN.
WE TAKE CARS LIKE ART AND FERRARI HISTORY LIKE OUR RELIGION.

 

Private property seems very important for US people but I think you forget something important : You will be not indefinitely the owner of your Ferrari.
One day, you will sell it or your heirs will sell it after your death.
I think each Ferrari owner has a duty of preserving the Ferrari heritage. Making a replica is like destroying the Ferrari memory.

 

Yeah...I mean, there are replicars, and then there are better replicars. This particular one happens to look no better than your average "250 GTO" on a Nissan Z chassis. But, I've seen detailed pics of GTO rebodies that looked very good, so good that if I had the money I might buy one and drive it proudly. Mike Sheehan had one such example up on his page a few years back; it may still be in his sold cars section.

Ethics of rebodying...it's a tossup, since bringing a rough but restorable 330 2+2 or GTE up to standard can easily be a $100K+ job, on top of a minimum $35K purchase price. We 2+2 owners can always use spare parts, but I have an automatic negative gut reaction to seeing a viable car parted out. In such a situation, I support rebodying if that's what will keep an otherwise doomed vintage S/N on the road. That still puts plenty of useable parts in circulation.

In the case of solid driver and better production 2+2's, yes, rebodying goes against good vintage Ferrari ethics, though the greedy person in me says that every time one goes down, the rarer they become.

 

But, "period" sounds like a relative term. To you and me 1960's is period. To our grandchildren 1980's could very well mean period.

Honestly, notwithstanding its racing history, the 250GTO itself is barely an attractive car. The subject long wheelbased spyder is so much less so.

john

 

Interesting remark

 

You guys are taking this all too seriously. We need to get John Lamour’s opinions on rebodying. He seems to be our foremost expert at taking an existing body and making it a “fantasy body.” Look at the following posts and I think you will see how they look like they could be found in response to one of John’s implant posts:

 

Not to highjack, but what do the purists among you think about this car...its real, but altered...

http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?StockID=102729