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  1. tifosi12

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    #51 tifosi12, Feb 7, 2010
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    Ok, I need some help:

    I always thought that 1992 and 1993 were Dallaras. But maybe Dallara only made the cars and the team was Scuderial Italia?

    Anyway, I found this and that doesn't really fit together with Tillman's data:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallara

    Did they just forget the 1993 Scudria Italia efforts?

    I took these pictures at the 1993 Canadian GP and I believe this to be the Scuderia Italia Dallara Tillman is referencing above.

    Comments please?
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    Ah, ok, I get it now. Thanks!

    The Wiki article talked about Dallara and hence didn't mention the 93 Scuderia Italia cars because they were Lolas by then. Makes all sense now.

    Didn't realize that was Alboreto and BADoer in those cars. Funny.
     
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    If I had a grid filled with all my favourite F1 cars, it would be comprised primarily of one-race-specials and almost-qualifieds. 2010 will likely furnish a few new ones..;)
     
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    #57 tifosi12, Feb 8, 2010
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    I looked into that and learned that they were indeed using Ferrari engines for three years in the early fifties. However: They didn't enter those car into GP racing, but Formula Libre races.
    By the time they joined F1 in 1954 they no longer used Ferrari engines. So they don't count. But thanks for the hint anyway.

    I looked into this as well and you're absolutely right: This car qualifies! Thanks much. I even found a company that sells a 1/43 scale model. :)
     
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    #58 JoeGuitar, Feb 9, 2010
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    I have nothing of substance to add to this thread except to say that is an AMAZING collection Andreas...it's a cool way for a relative F1 noob like me to see the evolution of Ferrari and customer cars over the years. Love it...thanks!
     
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    #59 tifosi12, Feb 9, 2010
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    Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. I'm trying hard to wrap this up and am currently building the missing pieces. Here a quick preview. Can you name the cars?
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  13. Wolfgang5150

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    are those 126c and f93a?
     
  14. Wolfgang5150

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    or the 412t?
    very cool winter projects btw
     
  15. tifosi12

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    The 86 F1, which was so unsuccessful, it makes last year's car look like a WCC winner.

    The other body is my 93 Lola-Ferrari "kitbash".
     
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    #63 tifosi12, Mar 10, 2010
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    Thanks to a harsh winter I managed to complete my 1/43 scale F1 car collection. But instead of further hijacking this thread, I thought it was about time to focus on the customer cars. So here are my pictures of all the customer cars, either models or the real deal when I had a chance to see it:

    Let's start with the

    - 56 Bardahl Special
    - 60 Cooper
    - 64 Cooper
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    The green car is from the 1966 season (Cooper Ferrari, driven by C. Lawrence), albeit with a chassis from '64 mated to a Testarossa engine. Nice job on the repaint, by the way.
     
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    Thanks.

    Did you see the 93 Scuderia Italia car I kitbashed? The first version I did with pinstriping and it came out too crude simply because of the scale involved (and some clumsy fingers). So I had to up my game and bought a color laser printer. Armed with Visio I made my own decals (first time!) and it worked out nicely. Meanwhile I made some more decals for other models and can't figure out how I lived so long without it.

    I'm also proud of the Bardahl Special: Isobel's post got me searching the internet and I found an obscure little company that specializes in hard to find kits and they had one left. Unbelievable!
     
  23. Isobel

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    One last model ? Wow, Andreas. What a collection!

    I came across a glorious photo of the Bardahl Special with an accompanying story while I was attempting to find a new entry for 'Guess the Car'. I thought the car had a fascinating history and although I didn't use the car (and subsequently lost the website I found it on..), when I saw this thread, I knew you'd have an immediate interest. I'm very pleased you managed to track down a model of it, there can't be many of them floating around....;)
     
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    #71 tifosi12, Mar 12, 2010
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    I'm slightly exaggerating. They still have a few more, but it is officially out of production.

    While googling for the model I learned that the real car is on display in a small car museum on the East Coast. I'd love to see it in the metal. So if anybody knows where that museum is...
     
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    Code:
    Year	Team			Car		Engine 			Results
    1991	Minardi			M191		Ferrari 037 3.5 V12		7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192		Ferrari 037 3.5 v12		10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90		Ferrari 040 3.5 V12		13th
    1997	Sauber			C16		Petronas SPE-01 3.0 V10		7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17		Petronas SPE-01D 3.0 V10	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18		Petronas SPE-03A 3.0 V10	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19		Petronas SPE-04A 3.0 V10	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20		Petronas 01A 3.0 V10		4th
    2001	Prost			AP04		Acer 3.0 V10			9th
    2002	Sauber			C21		Petronas 02A 3.0 V10		5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22		Petronas 03A 3.0 V10		6th
    2004	Sauber			C23		Petronas 04A 3.0 V10		6th
    2005	Sauber			C24		Petronas 05A 3.0 V10		8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII 		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8			
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VIIB		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2B		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR3		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		6th
    2008	Force India 		VJM-01		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2009	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR4		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8 		10th
    2010	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR5		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		9th
    2010	BMW Sauber Ferrari	C29		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		8th
    2011 	Sauber F1 Team		C30		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    2011	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR6		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    
    
     
  26. Miltonian

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    The article about the Bardahl Ferrari in R&T, May 1981, suggests that at that time the car was in Luigi Chinetti's garage in Greenwich, Connecticut. This racer had a 6-cylinder engine from the 121LM, and a Kurtis-Kraft 500D chassis, number 387-55. Don't know where it is now.
     
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    Code:
    Year	Team			Car		Engine 			Results
    1991	Minardi			M191		Ferrari 037 3.5 V12		7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192		Ferrari 037 3.5 v12		10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90		Ferrari 040 3.5 V12		13th
    1997	Sauber			C16		Petronas SPE-01 3.0 V10		7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17		Petronas SPE-01D 3.0 V10	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18		Petronas SPE-03A 3.0 V10	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19		Petronas SPE-04A 3.0 V10	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20		Petronas 01A 3.0 V10		4th
    2001	Prost			AP04		Acer 3.0 V10			9th
    2002	Sauber			C21		Petronas 02A 3.0 V10		5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22		Petronas 03A 3.0 V10		6th
    2004	Sauber			C23		Petronas 04A 3.0 V10		6th
    2005	Sauber			C24		Petronas 05A 3.0 V10		8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII 		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8			
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VIIB		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2B		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR3		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		6th
    2008	Force India 		VJM-01		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2009	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR4		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8 		10th
    2010	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR5		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		9th
    2010	BMW Sauber Ferrari	C29		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		8th
    2011 	Sauber F1 Team		C30		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2011	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR6		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		8th
    2012 	Sauber F1 Team		C31		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    2012	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR7		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    
     
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    #75 GrigioGuy, Feb 3, 2013
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    Code:
    Year	Team			Car		Engine 			Results
    1991	Minardi			M191		Ferrari 037 3.5 V12		7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192		Ferrari 037 3.5 v12		10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90		Ferrari 040 3.5 V12		13th
    1997	Sauber			C16		Petronas SPE-01 3.0 V10		7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17		Petronas SPE-01D 3.0 V10	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18		Petronas SPE-03A 3.0 V10	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19		Petronas SPE-04A 3.0 V10	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20		Petronas 01A 3.0 V10		4th
    2001	Prost			AP04		Acer 3.0 V10			9th
    2002	Sauber			C21		Petronas 02A 3.0 V10		5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22		Petronas 03A 3.0 V10		6th
    2004	Sauber			C23		Petronas 04A 3.0 V10		6th
    2005	Sauber			C24		Petronas 05A 3.0 V10		8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII 		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8			
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VIIB		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2B		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR3		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		6th
    2008	Force India 		VJM-01		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2009	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR4		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8 		10th
    2010	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR5		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		9th
    2010	BMW Sauber Ferrari	C29		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		8th
    2011 	Sauber F1 Team		C30		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2011	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR6		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		8th
    2012 	Sauber F1 Team		C31		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    2012	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR7		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    2013	Sauber F1 Team		C32		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    2013	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR8		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    
     

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