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  1. GrigioGuy

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    A question for the historian types: how far back has Ferrari been licensing/selling engines in F1? This is what I've found from 97 to today -- does it go further back? Yes, I know they sold F1 cars back in the day, but those were complete machines, not just drivetrains.

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    Year	Team			Car	Results
    
    1997	Sauber			C16	7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20	4th	
    2002	Sauber			C21	5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22	6th
    2004	Sauber			C23	6th
    2005	Sauber			C24	8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2	7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2	
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII	
    
     
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  3. tifosi12

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    You are missing the 2001 Prost, although the Ferrari powered car wasn't used all season. Engine was badged as "Acer".

    Also in 1991 there was a Minardi F1 powered with a Ferrari engine.

    PS: I collect models of all Ferrari F1 including the customer cars. :)
     
  4. GrigioGuy

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    Added Minardi, Scuderia Italia, Prost from the 90s


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    Year	Team			Car	Results
    1991	Minardi			M191	7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192	10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90	13th
    1997	Sauber			C16	7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20	4th
    2001	Prost			AP04	9th
    2002	Sauber			C21	5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22	6th
    2004	Sauber			C23	6th
    2005	Sauber			C24	8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2	7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2	
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII	
    
     
  5. tifosi12

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    Never knew about Dallara. Got some more info?
     
  6. Kingair33

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    What about the cooperative deal with Lancia for the D50, does that count?
     
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  8. tifosi12

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    I'd say that one went the other way round: Ferrari used Lancia D50 and rebadged them as Ferraris. So the Scuderia was actually the customer.
     
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  10. Kingair33

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    That sounds right, I thought I'd give it a shot though. :D
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Came across a weird bit of trivia in the latest issue of "Octane", which has a special because of 60 years of Ferrari. They list 60 factoids about Ferrari including what Ferrari engines have been used in other F1 cars (fact #43 in their list): Aside from the ones mentioned here, they also name Cooper.

    Cooper?

    Anybody know more about this? I'm stunned to say the least.
     
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  13. Miltonian

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    There were two different Coopers using Ferrari engines.

    The "Cooper-Castellotti" ran three events in 1960, a DNQ at Monaco and two DNF's, at France and Italy. It had 555 Supersqualo 4-cyl engine. Driven by Scarlotti and Munaron.

    The other Cooper-Ferrari was raced in 1966 at Great Britain (11th) and Germany (DNF). It was powered by a 250 GT engine. Driven by Chris Lawrence.

    Source: "Ferrari Formula One Cars 1948-1976" by Thompson.
     
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    Thanks Jeff, great information!
     
  15. Ed_Long

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    There also were a few Cooper Monaco sports cars with Ferrari 250 engines. Most Cooper Monacos were sold without engines, or if they were sold with an engine, it was a 2.0 or 2.5 liter Coventry Climax 4-cylinder. So a variety of engines found their way into the engine bays of these cars. I owned s.n. 59-006 for a few years and it had an aluminum Buick v8. I found magazine articles showing Monacos with Chevy 283 v8s, Maserati v6s, and Ferrari 250s. One of the Cooper Monaco 250s is now in the Seattle area.
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    I believe it may be, looks like it. Miltonian, do you agree?
    Ed
     
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    Per Super Aguri's site, they've always been Honda powered. That was sort of the whole point of the team
     
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    Of course, but that still doesn't explain why F1DB thinks they used also a Ferrari engine. Did they maybe test with that engine? Also where did they get that engine from?
     
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    #18 GrigioGuy, Jun 26, 2008
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    Time to update

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    Year	Team			Car	Results
    1991	Minardi			M191	7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192	10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90	13th
    1997	Sauber			C16	7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20	4th
    2001	Prost			AP04	9th
    2002	Sauber			C21	5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22	6th
    2004	Sauber			C23	6th
    2005	Sauber			C24	8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2	7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2	7th
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII	10th	
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2	
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR3	
    2008	Force India 		VJM-01
    
     
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    More info, corrections anyone?

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    Year	Team			Car			Engine 				Results
    1991	Minardi			M191			Ferrari 037 3.5 V12		7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192			Ferrari 037 3.5 v12		10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90			Ferrari 040 3.5 V12		13th
    1997	Sauber			C16			Petronas SPE-01 3.0 V10		7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17			Petronas SPE-01D 3.0 V10	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18			Petronas SPE-03A 3.0 V10	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19			Petronas SPE-04A 3.0 V10	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20			Petronas 01A 3.0 V10		4th
    2001	Prost			AP04			Acer 3.0 V10			9th
    2002	Sauber			C21			Petronas 02A 3.0 V10		5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22			Petronas 03A 3.0 V10		6th
    2004	Sauber			C23			Petronas 04A 3.0 V10		6th
    2005	Sauber			C24			Petronas 05A 3.0 V10		8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2			Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2			Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII & F8-VIIB	Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th	
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2B & STR3		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    2008	Force India 		VJM-01			Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    
     
  23. Anthony_Ferrari

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    I realise this has already been answered, but I found this article about the 1960 Italian GP interesting: http://www.forix.com/8w/i60.html
    You can get models to complete your collection here:
    http://www.racingmodels.co.uk/centercooper-ferrari-t51--30-french-gp-1960-143-1860-p.asp
    http://www.racingmodels.co.uk/centercooper-ferrari-t51--2-italian-gp-1960-143-1940-p.asp

    Oops! No you can't. They are out of stock! Sorry.
     
  24. greyboxer

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    Nothing - the site is wrong since they didn't use Toyota engines either
     
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    Code:
    Year	Team			Car		Engine 			Results
    1991	Minardi			M191		Ferrari 037 3.5 V12		7th
    1992	Scuderia Italia		F192		Ferrari 037 3.5 v12		10th
    1993	Scuderia Italia		T93/90		Ferrari 040 3.5 V12		13th
    1997	Sauber			C16		Petronas SPE-01 3.0 V10		7th	
    1998	Sauber			C17		Petronas SPE-01D 3.0 V10	6th
    1999	Sauber			C18		Petronas SPE-03A 3.0 V10	8th
    2000	Sauber 			C19		Petronas SPE-04A 3.0 V10	8th
    2001	Sauber			C20		Petronas 01A 3.0 V10		4th
    2001	Prost			AP04		Acer 3.0 V10			9th
    2002	Sauber			C21		Petronas 02A 3.0 V10		5th	
    2003	Sauber			C22		Petronas 03A 3.0 V10		6th
    2004	Sauber			C23		Petronas 04A 3.0 V10		6th
    2005	Sauber			C24		Petronas 05A 3.0 V10		8th
    2006	Red Bull Racing		RB2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		7th
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VII 		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8			
    2007	Spyker F1		F8-VIIB		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR2B		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		
    2008	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR3		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		6th
    2008	Force India 		VJM-01		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8		10th
    2009	Scuderia Toro Rosso	STR4		Ferrari 056 2.4 V8
    
     
  26. tifosi12

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    #23 tifosi12, Jan 31, 2009
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    I'm glad you're keeping this thread alive, much appreciated.

    You didn't include the Cooper from the early sixties.
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136744557&postcount=10

    Otherwise looks fine.

    I found the 1960 Cooper-Ferrari on ebay and kitbashed a 66 Cooper with a Ferrari engine from the time, so I'm covered there. My biggest problem re: the collection is the 92/3 Dallara. There simply isn't anything around and the livery on that car is so difficult to make.

    PS: I just ordered the 2008 Force India car to add to my collection of Ferrari powered F1s.
     
  27. TDF355

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    Do you have any pics of your collection?
     
  28. tifosi12

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    :)

    I wanted to wait until I have it complete, but that might still take more years to come. At this point I'm missing less than 10 cars, so maybe I could post something.

    I got the idea at Maranello's Galleria, where Ferrari has all its cars in 1/43 scale on display. I thought I'd like to go one better and add the customer cars as well.
     

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