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Ferrari 599 F1 to MT Conversion

Discussion in '612/599' started by SAFE4NOW, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. SAFE4NOW

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    #1 SAFE4NOW, Jan 18, 2017
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    After seeing several threads about F1 to MT conversions on other models and the topic of the 599 coming up more and more often, I wanted to capture the thread title before I lost it.

    We have been looking for the right candidate for this project for some time now. So when a Rosso Corsa / Beige 599 came through at the right price we jumped on it!

    So as to establish a time line, this project officially started 9/6/2016

    Prior to starting the adventure, we did some pre-research on parts availability, various compatibility concerns, and secured the time to complete the process.

    As of 1/18/2017 we are what I feel to be more than half way through!

    I will do my best to post photographs taken along the way, answer the questions as they are asked, as well as update on any sticking points we come across.

    This has proven to be quite a task , easier than expected in many ways, but more difficult in other ways, and a few unexpected hurdles.

    First Day.. Car secured on lift - Check!
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  2. SAFE4NOW

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    Now for the second most asked for item, the parts list.

    This parts list is complete as of 1/18/2017 , it is NOT meant to be an all inclusive list, the part numbers are as copied from the current invoice. Part description are as listed.
    I did not include pricing as we all know a guy who can get it for less .... if he can get it at all... ( enter smiley face here ) not to mention pricing changes over time.


    FE156712 KNOB
    FE108010 NUT
    FE232624 GEARBOX CONTRO
    FE146994 DOWEL BOLT
    FE234935 GEAR SELECTOR
    FE209152 SCREW M 5X0.8
    FE232983 GASKET
    FE235980 BUSHING
    FE14303024 SCREW M 4X12
    FE199725 SCATOLA COMAND
    FE147561 SPRING
    FE154745 BALL
    FE235982 PIN
    FE147790 SPRING
    FE156101 PLATE
    FE103326 SNAP RING
    FE12601574 WASHER
    FE115980 SWITCH/REV LIT
    FE155813 GASKET
    FE127446 BALL JOINT SEA
    FE235671 ROCKER IN TURR
    FE156128 BOOT/SHIFTER
    FE156129 FRAME/SHIFTER
    FE10444621 SCREW M 4X12
    FE12601374 WASHER D 8.40-
    FE183982 BEARING BUSHIN
    FE234829 FRONT CONTROL
    FE231206 BARRA COMANDO
    FE155473 CONNECTION
    FE16043634 SCREW M 8X25
    FE127496 WASHER/LOCK D.
    FE16043724 SCREW M 8X28
    FE159762 SPACER
    FE10903024 SCREW M 6X35
    FE102948 NUT M 6X8
    FE10519424 WASHER 6.40-12
    FE163926 BRACKET
    FE234828 BAR FIXING
    FE14058519 NUT M 8X8
    FE237846 INSULATION GAS
    FE201958 PUSH-BUTTON SW
    FE189871 PIN
    FE11064471 RETAINER D.16
    FE189869 BUSHING
    FE189865 CLUTCH PEDAL H
    FE189866 CUP
    FE189872 UPPER PIN FOR
    FE189874 SPRING
    FE189873 LOWER PIN FOR
    FE11064071 RETAINER
    FE219312 BRAKE FLUID RE
    FE154011 RUBBER HOSE D.
    FE13432370 COLLAR FOR SLE
    FE205301 CLUTCH CONTROL
    FE216078 SMALL PLATE
    FE238856 CLUTCH CONTROL
    FE10440990 RETAINING CLAM
    FE239580 INSIDE GEARBOX
    FE13541224 STUD M 6X12 22
    FE13541524 STUD M 6X12 30
    FE13541624 STUD M 6X12 35
    FE13542024 STUD M 6X12 55
    FE171454 BANJO BOLT
    FE195849 SWITCH OPENING
    FE69246500 FRONT BUTTON P
    FE69375300 SWITCH OPENING
    FE67628700 PLATE
    FE187005 SCREW
    FE66974900 BRACKET
    FE15688875 SCREW
    FE14372171 MOUNTING BRACK
    FE15689675 SCREW
    FE185721 PLUG
    FE254644 GASKET D 17.17
    FE230607 ENGINE-GEARBOX
    FE69248700 FRONT END PLATE
    FE69860300 CONTAINER
    FE222068 TRUNK COMPARTMENT
    FE14453381 GASKET D. 15.6
    FE153719 PIN
    FE154698 SMALL DISC
    FE11057476 SNAP RING D.16
    FE80464600 LOWER COVER
    FE80464500 UPPER COVER
    FE222277 DOUBLE DISC CL
    FE234943 THRUST BEARING
    FE172970 SCRAPER RING
    FE170416 RING
    FE172972 SEALING RING
    FE154508 SEALING RING 4
    FE154507 SEALING RING 4
    FE154551 SEALING RING 4
    FE103877 BEARING/BALL *
    FE200323 SEAL RING
    FE10261060 WASHER/COPPER
    FE225038 BRACKET
    FE14058419 NUT M6 X 6
    FE11064471 RETAINER D.16
    FE190376 RAKE PEDAL
    FE189863 BRAKE PEDAL HOSE
    FE189864 PEDAL CUP
    FE14441324 SCREW
    FE199701 CLUTCH PEDAL
    FE189863 BRAKE PEDAL
    FE190377R CLUTCH PEDAL (CML)
    FE225035 BRACKET
    FE69143200 TUNNEL CENTRAL
    FE188723 PEDAL PLATE
    FE11064471 RETAINER D.16

    Parts Total $54,783.44
     
  3. Bas Jaski

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    Would be interesting to do this to a GTO. Keep all parts of both and you can always revert back. IMO the ''kit'' should hold it's value on it's own.

    That said, SF/2 gearbox in the GTO is absolutely fantastic and IMO a great balance between emotion and performance. DCT gearboxes I find to lack emotion somewhat (though on a Speciale/F12/LaF/FF I'd only ever have DCT regardless of what was available), and especially the earlier boxes (pre-F430) too slow.
     
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  4. tazandjan

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    Steve- I see a bunch of clutch parts in there, but I think all you really need to do is change the seals on the T/O bearing to match brake fluid instead of F1 fluid. The clutch and T/O bearing are otherwise identical except for a few connectors/plugs. Just talking about the clutch itself, not the third pedal, master cylinder, etc., which obviously have to be added.

    Are you converting a 7.1.1 or 7.3.2 599?
     
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  5. PAUL500

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    First hand info at last, I look forward to reading the updates :)
     
  6. SAFE4NOW

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    I know that we are replacing many pieces, hardware, etc with new OEM so as to not have to come back out because XYZ piece failed shortly after the first drive... spending a little more now to make it right the first time around.

    You are correct though, not everything has to be replaced, that may be left up to the individual.

    This car is a 7.1.1

    S
     
  7. ar4me

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    I looked through the list a few times, looking for ECUs, but don't see them listed. Does that mean you have someone capable of reflashing the F1 ECUs to manual? Or, maybe I am just blind, they are listed, and my eyes just failed me...?
     
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  8. wildegroot

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    I'll be watching this with interest also.
     
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  9. SAFE4NOW

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    Right now, we have a route that leans towards changing the program in what we have.

    S
     
  10. tazandjan

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    Affirmative, a reflash would be a real boon to others who want to do the conversions.
     
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  11. ar4me

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    Interesting.

    Would you guestimate that cost and complexity of converting a non-OTO/pre-2008 (if that makes a difference) 612 from F1 to manual is similar?
     
  12. southnc

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    A 612 conversion should be much cheaper - closer to 575 conversion, I hope.
     
  13. tcw

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    Thanks for posting and will be interested in a blow by blow accounting of the process. It might inspire me to do mine ;) .
     
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    Clutch Pedal ( Sample ) that we had secured BEFORE starting the project only to find out after the fact that none would be made available at this time.

    Plan B , we found a shop that would 3D scan it, then take the scan and be able to recreate the pedal out of a block of aluminum. Yes, it took a 5 axis cnc machine to do this... as you can see from the photo's, it's ALOT more complicated than it looks. PLUS, add in the nylon pivot block... it's worth every penny we paid to have it created!

    Same for the shifter rod, we were able to put our hands on a total of 3 new pieces. We are considering having it replicated, 3D scanned at least, to have it as back up if/when needed in the future.
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    As others have said, I would expect it would be less expensive than a 599.

    Parts availability being the main factor IMO.
     
  18. tazandjan

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    The $50K parts price is starting to sound like a bargain.
     
  19. PAUL500

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    Have you thought of using an off the shelf aftermarket shifter arrangement? given the rarity of the Ferrari components, or maybe one from an earlier Ferrari model that is more readily available?
     
  20. SAFE4NOW

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    In keeping with the OEM nature of the conversion, we have not considered aftermarket at this time.

    Since we have OEM 599 parts available, no need to go to another model just yet.

    THOUGH, we have found that some parts DO cross over between a 612 to the 599. Not that those parts were available either, but it did broaden the pool for future conversion parts.

    S
     
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  23. flat_plane_eddie

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    Thanks for taking the time and effort to post all this.
     
  24. wildegroot

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    Isn't that the stock brake pedal in your photos?
     

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