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  1. tomgt

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    Is this list correct?
    26681 J. Friberg (S/USA)
    26683 P. Facella (USA)
    26685 N. Chiltern-Hunt (GB)
    27577 N. Mason (GB)
    27579 E. Stieger (CH)
    28601 F. Degand (FR)
    29507 K. Schultz
    29509 ?
    29511 L. Keno (USA)
    30559 N. Comar (FR)
    31589 L. Stroll (CDN)
    32131 B. Rapp (USA)
    33647 R. Lammers (NL)
    34157 ?
    34445 J. Goodman (USA)
    35523 A. Maier (CH)
    35525 ?
    35527 J. Guikas (FR)
    35529 F. Violati (I)
    38179 B. Carl (USA)
    38181 T. Morici (USA)
    38739 M. Sordi (I)
    41263 J. Bosch (NL)
    44023 R. Liebhaber (USA)

    What is the difference between SII and SIII cars?
    Are all cars matching numbers?
    Is Barchetta.cc correct?
     
  2. Hairy

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    Hello TOMGT,

    You forgot 32129, car is with Paul Knapfield

    35525 is also with Jean Guikas.
     
  3. 8valve

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    And 30559 was SOLD by Jean Guikas.
     
  4. 8valve

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    And don't forget these 512BB Competiziones, all with LeMans history

    22715
    24127
    24129
    24131

    Incredible how many of these cars have gone through the hands of GTC in the past decade or so.
     
  5. tomgt

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    Saw 35525 at Spa 2004, driven by Gilbert Sergent. So he is not the owner.
     
  6. 8valve

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    Well, not always true. Drivers are not always the owners. Anyway, 35525 was sold to Guikas in 2003, and is still offered for sale by him today.
     
  7. tomgt

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    These are the specs by the factory

    Technical specification


    Engine Rear longitudinal flat-12, lightened cylinder head

    Timing gear 2 valves per cylinder, twin overhead camshafts per cylinder bank

    Bore and stroke 82x78 mm

    Unitary and total displacement 411,84/4,942.10 cc

    Compression ratio 10.3:1

    Maximum power 455 bhp at 7,200 rpm

    Transmission Dry, twin 8.5" plate synterised clutch, lightweight 5-speed gearbox + reverse, gearbox oil cooler, 75% ZF limited-slip differential

    Chassis Tubular

    Front suspension Independent, double wishbones, coil springs, Koni shock absorbers, uniballs, 22 mm anti-roll bar

    Rear suspension Independent, double wishbones, coil springs, Koni shock absorbers, uniballs, 22 mm anti-roll bar

    Wheelbase, front and rear track 2500/1563/1713 mm

    Front tyres 10 x 15", Michelins

    Rear tyres 13 x 15", Michelins

    Fuel tank Centrally-mounted safety tank, 120 litres

    Top speed 308 km/h (with longest final drive ratio)

    Morici's car has more than 510 BHP........much higher compression/other pistons and other cams and a ultra lightweight body.
    Many cars with Moton, Penske or Intrax shocks in stead of the original Koni's.
    So they are faster nowadays.
     
  8. Hairy

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    On the entry list for this years Lemans Classic their is also a Mr Bernecker from Germany with a BBLM, but it doesn't say which chassisnumber.

    6 BBLM's will be out there, looking forward to enjoy that event!!
     
  9. tomgt

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    Jens is here on the forum, it is not a BBLM, but the Ecurie BB 22715

    5 x BBLM: 28601, 32129, 34445, 31589 and 27577

    1 x BB, 22715

    http://www.lemansclassic.com/uk/pdf/Liste_engages_provisionelle.pdf
     
  10. jbernecker

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    Hi there,

    yes, we will enter 22715 at this years Le Mans classic and it will be interesting to see if we can compensate the slight lack of power to factory LM's with driving finesse (grin).

    cheers,

    Jens
     
  11. tomgt

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    Jens, did you recieve the envelope?

    And you can always tune your engine up to 500 BHP :)
    Specialist is Roelofs Engineering http://www.roelofsparts.com

    ;-)....
     
  12. tomgt

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    Mr. Massini or Beehl, can you tell some more?
     
  13. ChalStrad

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    Yes he is. Gilbert bought it from Jean.

    Guikas is a buyer and seller - that's his business. (he also drives REALLY well!)
     
  14. Marcel Massini

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    "Matching Numbers" doesn't exist with 512 BB LMs.
    29509 is with James Fuchs of West Allis/WI, USA.
    And yes, 35525 is owned by Gilbert Sergent. Not just driven by him.
    Marcel Massini
     
  15. tomgt

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    But they are fitted with a specific enginenumber and gearbox number when delivered new (and when looking at the build sheets) Some have raced with more then one engine. Pozzi and NART had more engines then cars.

    26683 engine 001
    32129 engine 013
    34157 engine 019
    35527 engine 024 (http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/FE-512BBLM-38181/spares1.html)
    So why are these cars not "matching numbers"?
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    With non-matching numbers I meant to say that, for example, 26683 does not have an engine also stamped 26683, and, another example, 32129 does not have an engine also stamped 32129. Chassis and engine number are not identical (therefore: not matching). This means that the engines for these cars have their own numbering system, as you also pointed out.
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  18. tomgt

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    Which car is 00021

    Are SIII cars always wit 'side-skirts'
     
  19. Marcel Massini

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    I herewith CORRECT my own statement in which I said that the 512 BB LM engines are numbered with five (5) digits. This is NOT always the case. There are also 512 BB LM engine number stampings out there with four (4) digits, some also with five (5). But probably not with just three (3) digits. I apologize for the confusion. See also photos below.
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  20. tomgt

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    Oke, what are the differences between SII and SIII Marcel?
    How many engines were made?
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    Differences: You have to go by YEAR, and by build sheets, nothing else. Each car was individually built by Gaetano Florini's Assistenza Clienti at the old building in Viale Trento Trieste in downtown Modena.

    How many engines: Highest known engine number is 0032. Therefore, if we assume that they began with engine number 0001 up to at least 0032 it is fair to guess that they built at least 32 engines, most probably several more.

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  22. tomgt

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    Engines by Sauro?
    I thought the cars by Bachelli & Villa in stead of Florini's A.C.
    How many replica's? (22255 is one)
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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    WHO says "engines by Sauro"?? Sauro Mingarelli and Luciano Rizzoli are/were excellent engine RESTORERS in Bologna, of course.

    Bachelli & Villa does bodywork for BB LMs.

    Replicas? No idea and no interest at all. Does anybody really care?

    Marcel Massini
     

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