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458 Ferrari 458 DCT issue , code P1907 SoCal

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  1. 458Piloti

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    #1 458Piloti, Oct 26, 2020
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    Hi, I’ve done a lot of searching, here is my situation.

    2010 Italia has been running great just one small issue last year with flaps which was solved.

    the car has close to 37k miles. today I got the gearbox light , then noticed the car skipping even gears and only going 1-3-5-7 this happens for a few seconds then it’s fine, also reverse sometimes won’t engage ..but then it’s all fine (light stays on, goes away on restart then returns)
    I scanned the car with my tool and the code I got was P1907 which when searched only shows a Ferrari bulletin saying :
    APP_CLUTCH_
    PRESSURE_EVEN, too
    low (even shaft pressure
    command signal too
    low)
    EVEN clutch (2) pressure sensor or
    EVEN clutch solenoid valve
    malfunctioning.
    CCP /
    Pressure
    sensor 812

    So it seems I have the dreaded dct failure , I know of a couple of good shops like fast cars (best around) and Modena but I don’t think they’ve done the dct fix before, I called the dealer in Newport and they said it could be anywhere from $10,000+ because they charge $225/hr they just did a 2013 but needed entire trans and it was $25,000 for that. He also said the problem with dct is rare and not limited to 2010-2011 but he’s even seen 2015s , but again said it’s rare on 458 more of a Ferrari California Ozzie

    I’ve seen a few people post here saying they have done it around $4,000- $6,000 , so where in SoCal have you gotten it done? Or is that a myth?

    And NO it is not a bad battery. The fault started this morning, goes away on restart but comes rite back-
    I am truly devastated. Maybe some advice on what to do or where to go from someone in SoCal with prior experience I don’t have a warranty and it’s not the battery!!

    I’m going to take it to fast cars Ltd eventually but just want to gather as much info and advice first until they can get me in.





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  3. v35

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    Reach out to CFI designs in Montclair. He’s already done a DCT repair on a 2012 and knows where to purchase the sensors/parts. Please keep us posted.
     
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  5. Melvok

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    Woow, I was informed here in NL / Europe that the oem F dealers are able to repair most electricparts now in house.

    Dis you ask ?

    Keep-us-in-the-loop … it may happen to us too :-(
     
  6. Amrit Singh

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    perhaps try to change the DCT fluid I know a lot of guys would say its a sealed unit and its not required, however, when I changed my DCT fluid the colour of it was shocking. Few guys would recommend Redline DCT but I managed to get hold of the Shell DCT F3. have a search on eBay theres two places UK and Netherlands. Hope this resolves the issue
     
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  8. MalibuGuy

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    Before you change the fluid maybe consider taking a sample and sending it out for analysis

    it would be interesting to see if it had degraded.

    37,000 miles is not the issue. But perhaps the age of the fluid if greater than 5 years.

    also I would use factory recommended fluids, which any shop should be able to source.


    One of the very best Ferrari Getrag DCT master mechanics is located at Ferrari of Los Angeles, an authorized service center.


    Just my 2 cents
     
  9. RayJohns

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    I would run through the battery disconnect / reconnect just for good measure, even if the battery is healthy.

    Also, changing the oil - as others have mentioned - could help. If there is sludge built up inside, it could be negatively affecting pressure in some line or something.

    Google "Getrag 7DCL750" and you can find pictures and further info on the gearbox itself, as well as shops setup to service these boxes.

    Ray

     
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  10. RayJohns

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    This video gives some idea of what it's like to pull the gearbox out and swap it:

     
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  11. windsock

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    This is a really common failure. The pressure sensors in the in the boxes are prone to failure. You can purchase the sensors separately.
    The other really common failure items is the rear speed sensor which I would recommend doing while your in there.
     
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  13. RayJohns

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    Are those sensors in the center section or is there any way to access / replace them with the gearbox still in the car?

    Ray
     
  14. Amrit Singh

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    depends on which sensors you want to replace, the speed sensor which is a level 3 repair sits in the back part of the box so you would need to completely open up the gearbox and you would need a least 3 special tools for that. One to remove the back cover and 2 special pullers to remove the sleeves to remove the 2nd case then you would have access to the speed sensor. The CCP and SAP is a little easier as no special tools are required.

    If you google the tools required for this gearbox you will see what’s required.

    I had my made as I wasn’t able to find a good gearbox tech so I had to do the rebuild myself.
     
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  15. windsock

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    As someone already stated. no way to do it in the car.
     
  16. RayJohns

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    I'm with you. As the saying goes: if you want it done right, do it yourself :)

    Ray
     
  17. 458Piloti

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    Well guys Ferrari told me it’s the pressure sensor and the speed sensor even though there isn’t a code for speed sensor. But anyways if I do the pressure sensor might as well do speed sensor as preventative .

    Ferrari quote is close to $12,000 as their labor rate is so high and they are telling me the kit alone is $4500. I found an Indy shop which has done a few of them and known for doing 458 gearbox that I will check with
     
  18. RayJohns

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    I wonder who makes the pressure sensor in question?

    Ray
     
  19. Tarek307

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    Probably Mickey Mouse made the sensors inside the trans for the 458..i'm almost convinced its a matter of "when" not "If" enough heat cycles will end up doing those sensors in, and its on all year models according to every knowledgable actual tech i've spoken with..the "Myth" of it being early cars is simply a myth..i hate to say this but i think anyone buying a 458 needs to set aside $10-$12K for this issue (not a huge deal in the big picture because otherwise they are great cars)

    Ferrari should have had a recall or at least offered to pay 50% of the fix for this issue just as porsche have extended the warranty on their early 2014 GT3's that had engine problems 10 years 120K miles..now thats a company that gives a sh*t about its buyers..Ferrari..not so much!
     
  20. v35

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    Which indy shop did you find that has done a few of them?
     
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  22. sampelligrino

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    Seems like there have been a couple threads about costly DCT issues with the 458 floating around. Isn't the Getrag box used across other marques & models? Peculiar if it's an issue only for the car with the cavallino on it....I guess we can chalk it up to part of the Italian drama
     
  23. craigburton

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    Yes this gearbox is used by other cars, the difference is how the power is delivered through them amongst other things such as cooling and software, so these factors will affect how the gearboxes perform in terms of reliability.


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  24. Tarek307

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    The gear box itself is very solid & isn't the problem, its just the stupid sensors inside the gearbox...the only reason it was a "Huge issue" is because Ferrari wouldn't allow for the gear boxes to be opened and sensors fixed, so gearboxes had to be replaced with new ones..now though is a diff story, $7-$8K at indy shops & $10-$12k at dealers to open it, replace sensors (and from what i understand they use updated sensors with better wiring)
     
  25. Amrit Singh

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    if anyone is. looking for a gearbox I have a spare one. fitted with new speed sensor and new bearing seals and bushes
     

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