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430 F430 F1 Fluid. Change or No Change?

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  1. Eric C

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    What's the story here. I've heard both sides regarding a F1 Fluid Change. I brought mine in to have this done last year and they recommended against it.

    I'd like to hear from legit hands on Ferrari experts here. No arm chair quarterbacking here please.
     
  2. 24000rpm

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    I wouldn't consider myself an expert, but I've been draining f1 fluids and fill it and bleed it for various purposes for literally dozens of times ( more than 40 i'd say).

    Changing out most of the fluid isn't a difficult job, I'd say with right tools, it took 1 hour.

    Those against it either

    1. see you recently changed it ( like 2-3 years maybe) or
    2. they don't have the tools, or
    3. they don't want to mess things up



     
  3. KC360 FL

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    Had all the fluids done when I got my car two years ago including the F1 fluid by my trusted inde shop. 2 years and 4000 miles later no issues.
    All fluids included the coolant too.

    Hand it off to professionals. All fluids reach an exhaustion of viable life and usefulness IMO.

    Curious as to who you brought your 430 to that said they recommended against it? And why?
     
  4. RedTaxi

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    Owners manual doesn't mention changing it. Later models with the F1 say every 3 years. So 3 years it is. if you never change it, there WILL be trouble.
     
  5. tazandjan

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    See if this helps convince you. I would not take my F1 Ferrari to a tech who recommends not changing the F1 oil. That is really horrible advice.



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  6. ttforcefed

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    what is the argument AGAINST changing it? that seems completely idiotic to me. all materials deteriorate over time.
     
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  7. APA#1

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    Money and costs aside, the chart also says you should replace your air filters every year. Now on a normal car that drives 15K per year that seems reasonable, however on a car that might be driven less than 1000 miles per year that seems silly.

    Do you still do it? Even if they are perfect when inspecting them?

    Would you do it on your ford or chevy given the same scenario?

    Would it be conceivable the factory wants you to visit a dealer to milk more money from your pockets?
     
  8. 24000rpm

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    im cheap. here's what did.

    I don't change my air filter if they are not oily or extremely dirty. even if they are dirty , i'd just clean it. Only when its no longer cleanable or difficult to clean, i'll change it.

    I do not change my engine oil yearly. I go by 5000km or sometimes 7000km. Same on gearbox oil , but i'd go 8000km or even 12000km on gearbox oil. But I do routinely inspect the gearbox oil by looking at the dipstick.

    i change my coolant every two years regardless of mileage. I change my f1 oil every 3-4 years maybe, regardless of mileage. I never changed my power steering oil, untill something else demands the removal or easy access of the power steering lines, so that was kinda forced or convenient.
    i change my brake fluid every 2-3 years( no tracking time, of couse).

    I never changed my pollen filter!!!! I just clean it.

    I never had any issue, yet. maybe some issues I already had are related to my cheapness but I never know.





     
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  9. Doctor Mark

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    To those forgoing maintenance several phrases comes to mind: "penny wish and pound foolish" and "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
    I have owned Ferraris since 1974. My experience is that you want to do anything within reason to prevent failure as the costs of repair are absurd. If I "waste" money on extra fluid changes, I can handle that better than a repair due to lack of proper maintenance.
     
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  10. 24000rpm

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    I think different owners have different views of ownership.

    Most people are about driving the car/having fun and hope the car never had an issue. I am not on that camp.
    To me ( curiosity kills the cat), problems excite me and failures entertain me. So I am not afraid of failures, even if it is caused by my unprofessionalism. I learn a lot from them.

    To put that kinda view it into perspective. I have a poster on the wall , it depicts an amateur mechanic(weekend warrior) working on a car, and the caption: " WE DO IT RIGHT THE THIRD TIME!"
     
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  11. Skidkid

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    24000, your change schedule isn't crazy. You drive a lot and fix stuff, I read your posts often. In my opinion, your service schedule should keep the car in good shape. I wouldn't go any longer than that but I think it looks fine for most drivers. Of course doing it annually is a good rule of thumb for most since it gets put off for 6 months and ends up being 1.5-2 years some of the time anyway.
     
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  12. Eric C

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    I didn't agree or believe it, so that's why I'm asking. Thanks guys.
     
  13. gsholz

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    The only concern I'd have with changing the F1 oil is contamination. Since there is no filter in the F1 system, any smidgen of dirt would likely cause lots of trouble down the road. Some techs will be sensitive to this, others not so much.
     
  14. Motob

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    The F1 oil is cheap, the F1 components are expensive. I recommend changing the oil by mileage (every 15K), it doesn't really go bad with time..The filter for the F1 system is incorporated into the reservoir, and should be replaced with the F1 oil change. You must replace the reservoir in order to change it.

    If you clean the outside of the reservoir and cap before changing it, fluid contamination should not be a problem.

    The reservoirs are common to many other european cars (BMW, etc) and are inexpensive ($20): https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-power-steering-reservoir-32411097164?ads_cmpid=1586640911&ads_adid=59893888775&ads_matchtype=&ads_network=g&ads_creative=298302526031&utm_term=&ads_targetid=pla-315096495545&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6IHwBRCJARIsALNjViV88Q_wg8uTd-91slBhRcgR2BnPj4OwTdje2XtnIsPq39Ifi5_I8xUaAoDnEALw_wcB

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  15. 24000rpm

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    there is a small screen filter there. :)

     
  16. Doctor Mark

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    Frankly I would not use any tech who's work habits or shop environment are dirty enough that I would worry about dirt contamination on a fluid change.
     
  17. RANDY6005

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    are you talking about the gear box oil ? and if a teck told me it is not recommend too change I would run the other way !!
     
  18. Motob

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    No, we are not talking about the GL5 lubricant in the gearbox that lubricates the gears/bearings/syncros. We are talking about the hydraulic fluid (basically ATF) that operates the hydraulic portion of the paddle shifter F1 gearbox, which shifts the gearbox and operates the clutch.

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