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EUR1 certificate unobtainable in Switzerland?

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  1. Kasimir

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    I’m looking to buy a 1993 Ferrari 348 TB from Switzerland and then exporting it to my home, in The Netherlands.

    I figured out - with help from info on this forum - what paperwork/red tape is involved. So I know about the 10% import duties, of which you’re exempt when you can show a EUR1 certificate. This certificate should be issued for the car, while it is still in Switzerland, by Swiss authorities.

    I’ve asked the seller of the car about it, and he says he can’t obtain the EUR1 because the company that imported the car into Switzerland back in 1993, IFS Suisse, no longer exists! Therefore, formal proof of origin is unavailable.

    When I Google for a possible solution for this, I come across websites that say they can issue EUR1 certificates if you send them some basic data (like eur1.ch). Seems legit, but I was wondering if there is someone with firsthand experience exporting a semi-classic Ferrari and obtaining the EUR1. And if this issue with the defunct importer sounds familiar to anyone, and if so, what the best solution is (if any).

    It seems ridiculous I have to pay 10% import duties for a car ‘for not being produced within the EU’ while it is blindingly obvious it came out of Maranello!

    Hope someone can share some wisdom, would be much appreciated!
     
  2. turbo-joe

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    first of all would be great if you could fill out your profile and introduce yourself a little

    you not only have to pay 10 % duty, you also have to pay the sales tax for the netherlands additional to the price you payed plus those 10 % and if you let it transported then also to this amount

    if you would like to know a semi legal way not to pay those all you may send me a PM. I have some ideas and also did this several times, but long ago and don´t know if this will still work, but worth a try ;)
     
  3. Kasimir

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    Yes, sorry, I will see to update my profile a bit.

    Yes, I know about the VAT, the VAT is no problem since I will be buying it with my company. The seller can deduct Swiss VAT, so that’s nearly 8% off the price, a nice gain as well.

    Only thing remaining is the 10% import duties. That is meant for goods produced outside of the EU, it should not apply to any Ferrari. I’ve been in touch with Dutch customs and they confirm that the only thing that counts is the EUR1 certificate. Do you have any ideas on the EUR1 specifically?
     
  4. turbo-joe

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    problem is:
    if ferrari will give you a statement that the parts ( all parts ) used on this specific car for switzerland are from europe then the swiss dealer could give you a euro1. but ferrari will not give you such statement and so you have to pay those 10 %. if this car has been registered first in an european country and then came to switzerland and now back to europe an euro1 would be possible.
    do you know some of the history of the car?
    where is it located in CH? I live at the border to CH and F and have some possibilties to manage some. but on 31st december will go again for 4 month to thailand
     
  5. Kasimir

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    It's a 100% Swiss car and it's located near Zurich. From what I can see in the service book, it has always been in Switzerland, living the good life roaming the shores of those beautiful lakes in the vicinity of Zurich.

    I've also contacted Ferrari directly and to my surprise they responded quite promptly. They say I can ask an official Ferrari dealer to get the required documents (they mention a 'Certificate of Origin', and that should be enough to thereafter obtain the EUR1). They also say in case the dealer has no clue, I can forward them to Ferrari HQ. So top marks for Ferrari Customer Care, even though I'm not a customer (yet).

    I already got in touch with a Ferrari dealer to get a purchase inspection carried out, I've now asked them to help me with the certificate(s) as well. I will see how that turns out. The inspection will take place somewhere in the first weeks of January, so I'm afraid that's too late if I would need your help, but thank you for your offer.
     
  6. turbo-joe

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    I wish you good luck - but not make you much hope to get this euro1

    it is a swiss car and switzerland is not euro zone - so no chance I would say to get your certificate you need to save the 10 %

    you may move for 1 year to switzerland, buy the car now and register in your name to your swiss adress and after 1 year you move back to the netherlands and take the car with you for free - householdgoods.

    please check your mailbox here. sent a message
     
  7. Cnoordz

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    It is not a Swiss car. The car is entirely produced in Italy and that is what counts to qualify for a EUR1.
    Talk to Ferrari HQ (perhaps via a Swiss dealer, especially the ones near the borders have plenty of experience with that) as well as a good customs agent who can help you with the reauired documentation.
     
  8. turbo-joe

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    when you have a look at the VIN you may see it is a swiss car or produced special for CH


    right, it is produced in italy, so europe, but you don´t know if ferrari put parts into the car not produced in europe and so it is not possible to get a euro1.

    if this car first would be delivered to an european state then you may have a chance to get an euro1

    same is when a used ferrari comes from the US to europe you also get no euro1, even the car is produced in italy. for europe it does not matter if the car comes from CH or US or other european country. the only chance to get a euro1 is when you can proof that 1st delivery has been into a european country and even then you will get problems
     
  9. Cnoordz

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    Whether it is produced FOR Switzerland or for Swaziland, that does not matter.
    What matters is that it is not produced IN Switzerland or Swaziland.

    You can even import screws from say Turkey, wood from Indonesia and produce furniture in Italy. Then even that is Italian origin.
     
  10. turbo-joe

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    you are absolutely wrong C

    then tell me why you get no euro1 for BMW imported from the US? or also DB or Porsche or other cars

    I imported more than 50 cars from the US ( all european cars ) and never got an euro1

    so please inform yourself a little better about euro as a swiss resident before here posting any nigthmares or horror stories
     
  11. Cnoordz

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    Perhaps you didn't approach the correct company?
    For example I've seen plenty of imports into the EU from Switzerland. All you need is proof of origin or a supplier's declaration from the relevant car company (BMW, Porsche or...) and then customs will establish EUR1. For example, BMW in Switzerland does this. A quick mail with car documents showing VIN will get you proof of origin in a matter of days.
    Of course, it will only be valid for cars that are produced solely in the EU!
     
  12. turbo-joe

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    I did all the customs declarations by myself with the help of a customer of mine. he works at the german customs and until now I trust him what he was saying/doing to me. but this what you write here now I never have known. just now I´m again for longer time in thailand for vacation but I will send a mail to my friend to clarify and will post here again when I know more. but as I´m living at the border to CH ( basel ) sometimes I import cars from CH to germany but never got an euro1 until now.
     
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  14. Kasimir

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    Simon, I've seen the eur1.ch site, indeed it is one of the first hits when you google this subject. I've written them an e-mail, but it seems they can't be bothered to write me back. Perhaps I'll phone them and ask what they think. From what I gather, they're actually a transport company called Vector Logistics AG, so I think they draw up documents you can then take to customs. I suspect they will ask for the aforementioned Certificate of Origin in order to make the EUR1, though.

    Speaking about the Certificate of Origin: as Ferrari HQ suggested to me, I've been in touch with a Ferrari dealer. They say it's no problem, they can provide me a Certificate of Conformity (CoC). Only thing is, it will cost me 2000 CHF! That's because apparently there is only one issuer in all of Switzerland and therefore they can charge whatever they want.

    As you may note, they're talking about a Certificate of Conformity, not a Certificate of Origin. What's the difference? The CoC covers all things regarding (safety) regulations and testing, and also 'identifies' the product (what it is, where it was made). The COO only does the last thing. So I'm going to ask if I can just get a COO instead of a CoC, presuming it will be much cheaper.

    So not quite there yet, but there is some light at the end of the tunnel!
     
  15. turbo-joe

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    I think the CoC will help you to register the car in your home country and has nothing to do with the customs
    for the customs you will need the CoO what you not need for registering the car
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    Call Mr Eddie DAEPP of C.A.R. Logistics AG in Thörishaus near Berne, Switzerland. Highly experienced and specialised import-export logistics company for classic cars, acting worldwide and also partner with COSDEL in San Francisco (Martin Button). C.A.R. is part of the Packimpex Group.
    Eddie Däpp (C.A.R. = Classic Automobile Relocation Logistics) will know what you have to do and what it takes but yes, it is gonna cost. After all, this is Switzerland and everything is very expensive.

    C.A.R. Logistics
    Mr. Eddie Däpp
    Classic Automobile Relocation Logistics Ltd.
    Brunnmattstrasse 5
    CH-3174 Thörishaus
    Switzerland
    Office phone 058-356 12 12
    Direct phone 058 356 12 34
    Fax 058-356 12 22
    Eddie Däpp Mobile 079 301 68 05
    e.daepp@car-logistics.com
    e.daepp@packimpex.ch

    Marcel Massini
     
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