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  1. LouB747

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    I was in Narita the other day and decided to bike out to the airport and video a few arrivals. The wind was 90 degrees off the runway. It was relatively light, and then gust to 30 or so. Some interesting arrivals.

    Enjoy,

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DStxRf35tt8[/ame]
     
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  3. PureEuroM3

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    Great vid Lou.
     
  4. wizzells

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    Cool video. Love watching the heavies come in.
     
  5. joker57676

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    Cool. Thanks for posting.



    Mark
     
  6. LouB747

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    Thanks guys. I know it's a bit long. I added the narration in editing, but tried to make it look like I said it while I was there. It was too loud to really do it any other way. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.

    Lou
     
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  8. J.K.P

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    That was awesome Lou.
    Thanks for posting this.

    That ANA Star Alliance T7 looked like a rough'ish landing ��
     
  9. LouB747

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    Thanks. Yeah, ANA Star Alliance did look rough.
     
  10. bball16

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    That was great Lou. Thanks
     
  11. alexm

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    Cool.. thanks for making and sharing!

    It's always interesting to see stuff happening at airports..
     
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  13. Hammerhead

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    I thoroughly enjoyed that!! Great video. Thanks for sharing. BTW I think it's your video of a cockpit view crosswind landing that is making it's way around Facebook right now.
     
  14. J.K.P

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    Actually I saw that video too.
    I think Lou posted that in the 747 thread (fantastic thread by the way).

    Best
    Jens
     
  15. Hawkeye

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    Lou, to what extent or how long do computers fly the aircraft? Is the pilot directly in control at the time you are starting the video of each plane? Great video, thanks for posting!
     
  16. LouB747

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    Yeah, the bumpy cockpit video is back. Not a problem now, as it doesn't really show the airline. It's here if you want to watch it.

    Some funny comments on Imgur as well as FB.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24EAZQc1Xcc[/ame]
     
  17. LouB747

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    Hard to say really. You can't tell when the autopilot is On or Off in the video. I believe most Boeing autopilots cannot autoland above 25 kts crosswind. There's no way I'd let the autopilot land in any crosswind about 10 knots...but that's just me. This day it was gusting to 30, so I'm assuming all were manual landings.
     
  18. Hawkeye

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    Hold the phone. Are you saying the autopilot can actually land a plane? I thought a pilot had to take control somewhere on approach? Like 500' AGL or something? No?


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  19. LouB747

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    A lot of airplanes are fly-by-wire today, even the Boeings. So a lot of control movement you see isn't done directly. The above cockpit video is a 747-8. It really doesn't have any fly-by-wire tech. It actually has some, but there's no "wing leveling" or "constant G" going on. You have to hold back pressure in a turn. You have to keep the wings from rocking.

    Guys were posting on various forums about how much I over controlled the airplane. That's easy to say watching the video. But unless you've flown the 747-8, you really don't have a clue about flying it. And this was probably the roughest approach I've had in 10 or more years. Take a look at the Singapore 777 (about 8:40 into the video) in the original video above and look at his elevator. It's up and down a lot too. It's just the 777 pilot probably isn't doing much of it himself. The fly-by-wire tech is taking care of it, even with the autopilot off. Kinda cool, but personally, I like to control the surfaces myself.

    Part of what makes the 747 great is that it's still a pilots airplane. It takes awhile to get the feel of it, and some never truly do. But if you do, it's something special.
     
  20. LouB747

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    No, autolands happen quite often during low visibility. In fact if the visibility is too low, it's the only way to land.
     
  21. Gatorrari

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    On a 767 I landed in at PHL in a crosswind, I was sitting at a window seat behind the left wing. On final approach, the inboard aileron was flapping up and down like crazy as the pilot fought (successfully) to keep the wings more-or-less level. I could actually see the runway we were about to land on (27R) until we were just about over the threshold.
     
  22. Tcar

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    That's been going on for a long time...

    I think the Lockheed L-1011 Tri-jet was the first to be certified in the 1970's to do full blind (zero visibility) autopilot landings.
    And it had an inertial navigation system.

    Great aircraft, the DC-10 was just a large DC-8 (1950's technology, but it was cheap).
     
  23. Bob Parks

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    Lou, I can't open that video due to" Adobe Flash out of date" message.I haven't been able to get anything to work to view that video. Any other way to watch it?
     
  24. alexm

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    Hi Bob, This and all Lou's public videos can been seen at https://www.youtube.com/user/loub747 using your conventional browser and YouTube if it's good to go with that site..
     
  25. LouB747

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    I should mention there are a lot of snake videos on there. So if you don't like snakes, eh, well, there are some flying videos too.

    I started the channel for fun and it's starting to grow. Do me a favor and "like" the videos if you do enjoy them. Somehow that helps me on YouTube.

    Lou
     
  26. Bob Parks

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    Thanks, Alex, for helping me out with getting to see Lou's videos. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to the computer stuff. Old guys don't pick up a lot of stuff when they are on their own.
     
  27. Bob Parks

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    I enjoyed the cross wind landings and it brought back memories of my own days in the little stuff. Also recalled the 777 landing gear design guys sweating out the design calculations on the 777 main gear to cope with cross wind and aborted / refused take off loads. One of the lead engineers in the landing gear group always had a light way about him and when I asked how things were going in the landing gear group he always answered, " Oh, up and down, up and down."
     
  28. GTHill

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    Lou - Cool videos!

    A few questions...

    - What (and how much) is the danger during a crosswind landing like that?
    - Are you (pilots) scared during a bumpy landing?

    GT
     

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