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Can't engage gears

Discussion in '348/355' started by Racing-Baker, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Racing-Baker

    Racing-Baker Karting

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    I seem to get followed by a clutch problem ever since the day i purched the car. From time to time when i fully press in my clutch (good pressure) i can't engage any gear. Turn the car off, put it in gear and sometimes it goes away. But in the worst case the car starts driving slowly aldo fully pressed pedal.

    I have replaced the slave cylinder, all the bearings on and in the clutch release bearing and the triple seals (aldo I'm not sure if they are placed 100% correct). I bleeded the system 3 times.
    What is wrong here??
    Please help :(

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  3. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Have you checked the adjustment for the shift linkage?

    And what model are we talking about?
    348?
    355?

    It would help if you had your profile filled out.
     
  4. Racing-Baker

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    Sorry, i was talking about a 348.
    I do sell classic cars so my collection adjust from time to time. To me it's a collection. My cars are all chosen for my personal intrest and are all registered and driven. By selling my collection grows.
    So i would need my profile adjusted very often.

    Today I tested it again.
    The (other) problem is it only occurs now and then. And if i wait for a minute or so it's gone. Just depends on bad luck if i have it or not. Today i had it 2 times. 3th gear mannaged. But the rest not.
    If it was a linkeage problem it would be there all the time?

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  5. sevminasyan

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    Sounds like linkage issue. And the easiest to tackle. So start there.
     
  6. Fabspeed Motorsport

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    If you've done all the above with bearings and such, I would start at the linkage. Not too many things it could be - especially after you tackled the most popular things and she's still acting up.
     
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  8. SoCal1

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    Also look at the motor mounts, may be causing a intermittent mis alignment

    A friends 355 if he parks on a hill he cant grab a gear due to flex
     
  9. Mitch Alsup

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    and tranny mounts.....
     
  10. m.stojanovic

    m.stojanovic Formula 3
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    This suggests that the clutch is sometimes not disengaging fully. I had similar problem on a couple of other cars - on one, the clutch pressure plate spring had cracked; on the other, the bolts holding the pressure plate to the flywheel had come loose.
     
  11. taz355

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    Obvious one is having air in system.
     
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  13. Robbe

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    Try checking the exact position of the gear lever in the gate in complete neutral, do you see a slight difference where the middle point is, between a good moment and a moment in which this occurs? Familiarise yourself with that middle point (between 3 and 4)
    As this is easier than waiting for it to happen again, then wait for it to go away so you can then find a lift to check the alignment underneath on the gearbox side...
     
  14. Andy 355

    Andy 355 Formula Junior

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    Master cylinder.
     
  15. johnk...

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    I was waiting to see how long it would take before someone actually read that part od the post. Got to love Ferrari chat. :)
     
  16. 97 Spider

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    When I replaced my clutch I installed a Hill Engineering TO bearing and flange, somehow air got into the MASTER cylinder. No matter how many times I bled it I still had a weak clutch disengagement. Even though it looked like it was pumping plenty of fluid when bleeding the air would stay in the master cylinder. I had to disconnect the line up front at the master cylinder and had my wife depress the clutch and then let it out after I plugged the hole so it couldn't such air back in and has to suck from the reservoir. A couple times of that and all the air came out and I had a strong clutch pressure again.
     
  17. ernie

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    I had to deadhead my clutch mc the same way a few years ago.
     
  18. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    This is also a possibility, but it requires removing the clutch and taking it apart to inspect the pressure plate diaphragm.
     
  19. taz355

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    Bleeding is not allways straight forword.

    If it used to work and niw does not and components were changed all is left is proper bleeding.
     
  20. m.stojanovic

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    When I did work on the clutch and brakes (replaced clutch master & slave, replaced brake hoses and calipers etc.), I bled the almost empty system using a pressure bleeder. Just one round - clutch then calipers one by one and everything was perfect straight away. While bleeding each line, I could hear a lot of bubbling and gurgling along the lines. When it stopped (and clean fluid started coming out), I new the bleeding was completed.
     

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