AVH failure resulting in locked brakes

Does anyone believe that the charging strategy for the battery could be a possible weak point.
At what level does the alternator charge the battery? Does it fluctuate more than previous model (458) in order to reduce its draw on the HP of the engine?
I recall someone who tried to use a Braille LI Ion battery found that it was not compatible (488) due to the alternators charging strategy?

 

Brake problem? The seller claims that problem was due to an AC switch and that owner did not wanted to get parts. Is this true?

...very appreciative of your time and providing vital information.

 

Re: Used 2017 Ferrari 488 GTB: Owner 72152177: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 2017 Ferrari 488 GTB

When asked why it was bought back from the initial dealer:

Seller claims that:

"Because of the AC switch. It took the dealer more than 30 days to get the parts. So the owner didn’t want to wait any longer and got a new Ferrari.

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"Because of the AC switch. It took the dealer more than 30 days to get the parts. So the owner didn’t want to wait any longer and got a new Ferrari. Sent using iPhone
...
This Vehicle is a LEMON BUYBACK BECAUSE OF THE A/C SWITCH. BRANDED TITLE (Lemon Buyback) back in 2019. This Vehicle looks, drives and functions without any issues!! "

 

Thought i'd post an update on my experiece incase it helps anyone else:

So I have since sold my 488 spider and upgraded to a Pista, and low and behold have already had the AVH issue again, but luckily have found some interesting little trick.

I have since found, this issue has only ever appeared on my pista when ive turned the car off after it being in reverse (then the DCT auto applies park brake). As wierd as it sounds it does not trigger if I leave it in first then park.

It may sound pretty insignificant(and super wierd, atleast it did to me!), but I can now almost cause it at will when parking in reverse vs 1st, so its quite easily repeatable.

Again ferrari service centre checked over the car/battery/electrical draw completely and found no issues. As before, its always on charge, and driven very regularly.

I've fed the info back to ferrari and plan to pop in shortly to see if we can recreate it often in the service centre here in Sydney.

 

Hi Nick! I’ve read this whole thread and thought you might interested in knowing that your car is for sale again and I was looking into—of all things—buying it . Given all the history disclosed on this thread, the intrigue of the car is of course its discounted price. The car has also been driven a fair amount of miles since your reported issues during ownership which gives me some confidence that this may be a really great deal.

My only issue is the dealership claims (emphasis on claims) that they have no early service records to give me and that the car was lemon'd due to a problem with the A/C. Of course I know better.

As an experienced owner of Ferraris and the previous owner of this exact car, what do you make of the situation? Worth pursuing? I know you'd probably tell me to go after a clean title beautiful 458 instead , but I think this 488 might be a really great opportunity.

P.S. If you could help me get my hands on those elusive service records from your ownership I'll buy you a drink

 

Hi again, thanks for the thought out response.

1. It's definitely a car I'd keep for the long run, and although it will be difficult to resell, my thought is that when that time comes I will be able to sell it at around the same price I purchased it, depending on the deal I can squeeze out of them.

2. Those 10k miles are one of the mysteries I'm trying to solve. The carfax report is filled with holes and does not tell how those miles got there. The mileage simply jumps from one service to the next. When I first called the dealership, a guy named Tom picked up the phone. He was very nice and polite. He even started off by telling me that they'd go down on the price! I was shocked haha. Is it really gonna be this easy I thought? I asked him about the extra miles, and he stated that the car was a rental for 6 months. Yikes. Not what I wanted to hear, but I plan on checking out the car in person anyways and getting it inspected, so I figured if the car passes my standards in person then the rental factor would just give me more wiggle room on the price. The next time I called, however, another man picked up and gave me another story. He said that he leased the car out "to a friend." Really strange how that wouldn't be listed on carfax however. I'm inclined to believe Tom, who the next guy said "shouldn't have picked up the phone." What a situation.

3. The reason why I think your service docs might be beneficial to me is because they seem to either be hiding the fact or are ignorant to the fact that the car had such a huge issue. I think bringing such an issue to light and having evidence would help in my negotiations.

4. Again with the AC switch thing, that's simply what they told me was the reason for the lemon title. Of course, the AVH system is the reason for the lemon title.

5. What wheels did you have on it originally! wow! It's hard to tell what color the wheels are in their pictures, I like the darker ones personally.

P.S. Wow, I can't believe Ferrari claimed "purported video evidence" on a customer. Yikes again. What a bad look. No wonder they lost!

 

Yes the gunmetal wheels... My favorite . And you're right, the five spoke looks amazing and clean, wow. I had always considered the dual spoke to be my favorite. I hope those wheels aren't long gone by now.

And the blue on the interior looks so good!! So much better than in the color-edited pictures from the dealer. Wow!

Thanks a ton for the documents. I think I have everything I need now to continue pursuing this car. I'm gonna fly out to the dealership in about a week, I'll let you guys know how everything goes! This would be my first Ferrari

 

I think this 488 is on CoPart right now:

https://www.copart.com/lot/52945920/clean-title-2017-ferrari-488-gtb-tx-houston

Is this the same VIN?



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Very interesting....when I bought my 2019 488 my sales guy...who's been at Ft Lauderdale Ferrari.for many many years..must have told me 3 times or 300 times during the buying process and test drive not to park the car in reverse and turn it off..always put it in gear (1st) and then turn the car off. He insisted on me knowing this and that I understood this. Maybe he knows something?

 

actually this is how the industry works. It is just slightly more expensive to the vendor than regular bug fixing.

remember the rear spoiler recall of audi tt.

 

This car is back for sale.
ZFF79ALA8H0224449
No with 22,968 miles

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/4ce685e7-f5fe-46d0-947e-7b664c792812/?aff=atempest&CMP=atempest&utm_source=AutoTempest&utm_medium=TRP&utm_campaign=atempest

https://www.carz4us.com/inventory/2017-ferrari-488-gtb-base/422059?utm_campaign=cars.com_deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

 

I purchased a 2017 488 spider in december 2022. Last week we drove about 45 miles to meet some friends for lunch. After about 2 hours went out to start the car. It started biut displayed a avh failure indicator. In the past I have had cases where an indicator would light up but after turning off and restarting would go away. So I turned off car. When I tried to restart the ocnsole displayed as usual and then immediately went to avh failure and would not start. Engine would not even turn over. I googled avh failure and noticed that maybe there was a problem with parking brake. Turned off parking brake but no good. After repeated tried other systems started failing. Never would turn over the engine. I ended up having ferrari roadside assistance tow to dealer. Dealer has not been able to recreate the problem and car has started every time for them. I am suspicios of the battery but they say battery is fine. They want over $500 to replace the battery. For thatI can replace myself. Any suggestions on what might be occurring. BTW. Car has slightly more that 8k miles.

 

Battery problem would be a good bet. But if it checks out, I’d look at the battery connection. Probably not secure.

SV

 

Thanks. I will be picking up my car either tomorrow or thursday. Plan on checking.