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Anyone available to take a look at a 512TR in Italy or Germany?

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  1. MITengineer

    MITengineer Karting

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    Hey guys -

    Considering two potential 512TR's in Europe. Besides a normal PPI, would love to have an expert look at the car to get a general sense of "relative 512TR" condition before paying for a full mechanical look-through.

    One car is located in Bielefeld, Germany.
    Another is located in Brescia, Italy.

    If anyone is willing to take a peek at the cars above - please let me know via PM!

    - Chris
     
  2. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Gross generalization here... highly variable no doubt... but it is my personal experience.

    Maybe not so much in Europe(?) but the cars I’ve seen overseas do not receive the same level of care that a ‘typical’ US car gets. There are however a few ‘collections’ that get proper care... like Brunei or Japan.

    Ever see a F40 parked on the street in a sandstorm with a well torn car cover hanging off of it and flapping violently in the wind?

    Maybe not so much in Europe... but dang sure in Saudi.
     
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  3. fridolin_pt

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    Have you ever seen a European car?
     
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  4. pshoejberg

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    Waw, that was a brave statement and certainly not my experience from shopping cars across the dam.

    Regards Peter
     
  5. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Yeah - lived in and worked in Paris, Moscow, London, Stavanger, Astana, Yokohama, Kitakyushu, Bangkok, Singapore Dhahran, and places you’ve never heard of... like Lome, Atyrau, Aktau. 25+ years. Even spent some time in the States.

    Have not been to Brunei.

    How about you?
     
  6. Rifledriver

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    In my experience as a group the Italians take far better care of their cars than the Germans.
     
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  7. Rifledriver

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    Lots. I agree with him.
     
  8. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    In the states.... Americans tend to pamper their status symbol Mercedes. In Germany they get thrashed like a whipped mule.
     
  9. pshoejberg

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    The tax system in Europe is very diverse. Where I live we have 150% tax on expensive cars and that makes a good intensive to treat it well. Maybe the Americans export all the trash to Europe and vice versa...-:)
     
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    You forget I'm in the same business as you have been in until lately.
     
  11. turbo-joe

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    for get them registered or for import them? 150 % of what? the official new sales price or this what you payed ( used car ) ?
     
  12. pshoejberg

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    Import tax for cars older than 30 years is the same as for most European country's (5%). Registration tax on a new car is 85% of new price up to 30K $ + 150% of new price above 30K $. Older so called veteran cars are being taxed on a more individual basis based on several parameters such as the cars price when new, originality, mechanical condition, fuel consumption, safety equipment etc. A typical tax figure for a 88 Testarossa would be around 75K $. Needles to say it's very expensive to get a old supercar on the road in Denmark.

    Best Peter
     
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  13. turbo-joe

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    not 10 %, independent from the age? may be I´m not up to date anymore :(
    but registration tax is a rip-off.
    so the registration has to be payed only once or also when another will buy your still in denmark registered car and register then in his name?

    strange: we should have a united europe an all states are cooking different.

    with $ you mean euro ( € ) ? or is denmark counting in US $. I know that you not have there in denmark the euro, that is why I ask about the currency
     
  14. flat-12

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    In some way you are right, my Mercedes is for general use - for Autobahn and downtown, for summer and winter - ervery day of the year.
    But I don't think a S63 AMG is something very very special. The engine is good and so is the gearbox and so is nearly everything … but it's a Mercedes not a Ferrari.

    I would never use (abuse) my Ferrari this way.
     
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  15. pshoejberg

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    Yes Romano it is a rip off. That's one of the less attractive sides from living in a socialistic country. The registration tax is a one off, the next owner will "only" have to pay the annual road tax as we all do. All prices are quoted in US $. Anyhow I think we got this thread seriously sidetracked, sorry for that.

    Best Peter
     
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  16. vincenzo

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  17. turbo-joe

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    you are right, but interesting and usefull for all here I think ;)
     
  18. bka80s

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    Having spent time in Germany, I can confirm that statement!


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  19. Drew_4RE

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    Is the one in Germany the chairo blu car? If so, high miles and their floor is €155k. A little ridiculous imo
     
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    Ciao Ragazzi,
    Ciao Chris,

    maybe I am biased, but as a German living in Italy I would strongly disagree with the perception of how they treat their cars. Only my opinion on every day cars - Germans tend to overdo the car washing and maintenance a bit - whereas Italians “enjoy” their cars a bit too much. Scratches, dents and little bumps while parking their cars into yours are nothing to write home about. Look at the car featured in Davide Cironi’s Testarossa review ;) But again - I might be biased.

    Funny enough, I grew up in a city near Bielefeld in Germany but right now I live in Brescia. Usually I could offer to look at least at the car in Brescia but, a) I would not consider myself an expert. I am an owner and do the maintenance myself - but I am very far from expert level, b) Brescia right now is in the middle of Italy’s Corona Virus Zone and we are on a lockdown at least until April (more or less). So it would not be smart going out shopping for cars or something. If four weeks from now, you still need some help, let me know.

    Brescia is kind of Italy’s Oldtimer Center. Being the birthplace of the 1000miglia there is a high quality car community around and there are lots of high quality, pampered cars around.

    A dopo...
     

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