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All the cars at the three Paris auctions

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #1 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jan 27, 2019
    There are 372 automobiles on offer at Artcurial, Bonhams and RM in early Feb. '19 lead by the fabulous Alfa Romeo 8C2900 and quick Ferrari F40LM.

    Year - Make - Model - Chassis/VIN - Auction - Est. EUR low - high - Est. US$ low - high

    1956 Ferrari 250GT Boano 0543GT Bonhams €1,000,000 €1,300,000 $1,140,000 $1,482,000
    1958 Ferrari 250GT Pininfarina Coupe 0947GT Bonhams €600,000 €700,000 $684,000 $798,000
    1960 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series II 1983GT RM €1,200,000 €1,400,000 $1,368,000 $1,596,000
    1960 Ferrari 250GT Pininfarina Coupe 1831GT RM €600,000 €700,000 $684,000 $798,000
    1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso 5525 Artcurial €900,000 €1,300,000 $1,026,000 $1,482,000
    1966 Ferrari 275GTB/6C 08311 RM €3,000,000 €3,300,000 $3,420,000 $3,762,000
    1966 Ferrari 275GTC 08465 Artcurial €2,300,000 €2,600,000 $2,622,000 $2,964,000
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC 9839 Artcurial €480,000 €560,000 $547,200 $638,400
    1970 Ferrari 246GT 01406 RM €300,000 €350,000 $342,000 $399,000
    1974 Ferrari 365GT4/BB 18173 Bonhams €275,000 €350,000 $313,500 $399,000
    1974 Ferrari 365GT4/BB 17561 Artcurial €250,000 €320,000 $285,000 $364,800
    1978 Ferrari 512BB 25999 Artcurial €250,000 €300,000 $285,000 $342,000
    1980 Ferrari 512BB Competizione 31159 RM €395,000 €455,000 $450,300 $518,700
    1981 Ferrari 512BB 36445 RM €250,000 €280,000 $285,000 $319,200
    1982 Ferrari 512BBi 43561 Artcurial €180,000 €220,000 $205,200 $250,800
    1983 Ferrari 400i 40977 Artcurial €50,000 €70,000 N/R $57,000 $79,800
    1984 Ferrari Testarossa 53081 Artcurial €175,000 €225,000 $199,500 $256,500
    1987 Ferrari F40LM 74045 RM €4,500,000 €5,500,000 $5,130,000 $6,270,000
    1987 Ferrari 328GTS 68277 Bonhams €65,000 €85,000 $74,100 $96,900
    1988 Ferrari 412 75934 RM €60,000 €80,000 $68,400 $91,200
    1988 Ferrari 328GTS 78578 Artcurial €80,000 €100,000 N/R $91,200 $114,000
    1989 Ferrari 328GTB 80879 Artcurial €90,000 €110,000 N/R $102,600 $125,400
    1992 Ferrari 512TR 94514 Artcurial €120,000 €150,000 $136,800 $171,000
    1993 Ferrari 348 Spider 99222 Artcurial €50,000 €70,000 N/R $57,000 $79,800
    1994 Ferrari 348TS 99152 Artcurial €55,000 €75,000 N/R $62,700 $85,500
    1995 Ferrari F355 Spider 105091 RM €100,000 €130,000 $114,000 $148,200
    1996 Ferrari F50 104762 RM €1,700,000 €1,900,000 $1,938,000 $2,166,000
    1996 Ferrari F355 Spider Serie Fiorano 105034 Artcurial €70,000 €90,000 N/R $79,800 $102,600
    1998 Ferrari 550 Maranello 111707 Bonhams €70,000 €85,000 $79,800 $96,900
    1999 Ferrari 550 Maranello WSR 115804 RM €190,000 €260,000 $216,600 $296,400
    2003 Ferrari Enzo 138355 RM €1,850,000 €2,000,000 $2,109,000 $2,280,000
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 143094 RM €325,000 €355,000 $370,500 $404,700
    2006 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 144001 RM €575,000 €650,000 $655,500 $741,000
    2008 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 160738 RM €140,000 €170,000 $159,600 $193,800
    2008 Ferrari 599GTB 162945 Artcurial €300,000 €400,000 $342,000 $456,000
    2011 Ferrari 599SA Aperta 181259 RM €925,000 €1,050,000 $1,054,500 $1,197,000
    2011 Ferrari SP30 188026 RM ? ? #VALUE! #VALUE!
    2017 Ferrari F12Tdf 222120 RM €825,000 €950,000 $940,500 $1,083,000

    Full and free coverage of these and every lot at these auctions is available at www.autoauctionsmonthly.com
     
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  2. The Strad

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    #2 The Strad, Feb 1, 2019
    Thank you!
     
  3. amenasce

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    #3 amenasce, Feb 1, 2019
    Thanks a lot for the time and work done to share this with us.
     
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    #4 sixcarbs, Feb 6, 2019
    Things seem to be coming down. Just watched a 6-speed, low mileage 575 Superamerica sell for 520,000 Euros + commission, and then saw what was described as a beautiful and correct 275 GTB alloy 6 cam sell for 2,850,000 Euros + commission. Both are below their estimates, and the 275 last sold for 3,416,000 Euros in 2016 with commission, well above its high estimate.
     
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    An alloy 6C torque tube no less. A bit softer for sure but not disastrous.
     
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    #6 sixcarbs, Feb 6, 2019
    I meant to say 6 carb, not 6 cam, and the seller lost at least 16%, not sure how much RM takes out of the seller's piece.

    I don't have a crystal ball, but I wouldn't want to be last one out of the pool either if I was someone who bought tehse for investments. Let's just call them yield tourists.
     
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    #8 Rory J, Feb 6, 2019
    I believe RM's standard seller's commission is 10%? That's sometimes negotiable for special cars.
     
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    #9 LamboLover, Feb 6, 2019
    According to Hammer Price, the ‘66 275GTB at RM today didn’t make a sale. High Bid was $3,238,8902. Est had it at $3.409-$3.750m.
     
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    #11 readplays, Feb 6, 2019
    Does anyone know how much the SP30 was bid and if that was close to expectation- and/or how much it was expected to bring?
     
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    #13 Zaza, Feb 6, 2019
    Expectation was 4 to 5 million euros (according to Classic Driver, not Sotheby's) and hammered at 1,95 M€ and mentioned "still for sale" on Sotheby"s web site
     
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    #14 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Feb 7, 2019
    Problem is the 275 was acquired at the Duemilla Route sale where the buyer spent the market high 3.4 mil. EUROs and has since had other expenses so likely wanted to recoup his expenditure. Thats not unfair BUT the market has softened and he did overpay in '16 so unfortunately will either have to wait for another Ferrari bull market OR take a haircut.
     
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    #15 sixcarbs, Feb 7, 2019
    The 275 did sell, correct, the owner did take the haircut?
     
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    #16 gbutler, Feb 7, 2019
    RM sale in Retro commission is 15% on buyers side, not 10% that was quoted previously
     
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    #17 375+, Feb 7, 2019
    Seller's commission is always a negotiation although some auction companies have a firm policy of flat 10% on No Reserve lots with estimates under $200-250,000. An auctioneer will drop the seller's commission on the block in some situations to hammer a lot sold. In that case they just take the Buyer's commission.
     
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    #18 maximilien, Feb 7, 2019
    1.95 M€ Is good price ok it’s one-off but she doesn’t have history like classic car I don’t know why many ferrari is over estimated in many actions ?
     
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    #19 The Strad, Feb 7, 2019
    Regarding Ferrari, today's Bonhams auction was nothing else than a catastrophy.
     
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    #20 miurasv, Feb 7, 2019
    Looks like the F50 may now be sold as no longer "Still for Sale."
     
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    +1 absolutely the sell through rate must be pretty low.
     
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    #23 Red Sled, Feb 8, 2019
    Yes, €1.7mm
     
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    #24 Red Sled, Feb 8, 2019
    The seller took the latter route. Sold for €2.86mm. Not sure what the seller's commission was, but a fairly steep hit from the Due Mille Ruote price where he/she bought it.
     
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