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  1. ianah1975

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    #1 ianah1975, Jul 24, 2018
    A friend of mine is buying a 458 Speciale off of a friend. He has worked out a payment schedule with this friend, so that the car will be paid off in two years.

    Here is the thing:

    The car is in Russia and has to be brought to the U.S.

    Another friend had a dealership run the VIN# and it doesn't match up with the vehicle. Not to mention the car he sent him a pic of is a 458 Speciale.

    He is charging basically nothing for the car ($85k)

    Has anyone heard of a scam like this?
     
  2. greyboxer

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    #2 greyboxer, Jul 24, 2018
    Classic scam - sounds like he'd say goodbye to the money (& the 'friend')
     
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    #3 phil the brit, Jul 24, 2018
    Your friend needs his head examined.
    Has he never heard of the saying that if it seems too good to be true..............
     
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    #4 ianah1975, Jul 24, 2018
    The strange thing is, he still stays in touch with the guy. He's over his house a few times a month, but every time there's a new excuse as to why the car is not delivered.
     
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  5. MAPS

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    #5 MAPS, Jul 24, 2018
    That really is strange! But if I was your friend, I would provide the transportation myself or/and would investigate his friend whos selling the "special" Speciale (even for a "normal" 458, that price is too friendly)
     
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    #6 Clay512TR, Jul 24, 2018
    Price, vin “confusion”, transport delays etc etc, I would run away unless two things happened. Eliminate vin issues and have a reputable Ferrari Dealer run the vin and get details on the car and I would want a detailed maintenance and ownership history since new. Then, if no “stories” I would fly over and look at it and, if I buy it, watch it final loaded for transport. Consider this a business transaction at this point and their friendship may stay intact regardless of the outcome.


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  7. ianah1975

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    #7 ianah1975, Jul 24, 2018
    I keep telling him to forget about it and find a good F430. It's not a 458, but at least he'll have it.
     
  8. Sonoma

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    #8 Sonoma, Jul 24, 2018
    How old is your friend?
     
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    #9 Viperjoe, Jul 25, 2018
    Run Forest, run!
     
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  10. ianah1975

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    #10 ianah1975, Jul 25, 2018
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  11. MAPS

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    #11 MAPS, Jul 25, 2018
    Very wise words!

    Is this a new/recent friend? Unless the seller is in serious need of the cash (wich doesn't seem to be the case, considering the delays) or the car has some shady history, or worse, is indeed the "classic" scam...

    So may doubts, I would just run away and (try to) forget about it
     
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    #12 ianah1975, Jul 25, 2018
    This is what I've been trying to tell him. He gave his "friend" $8k to bring the car over. This was in January. Since then, the guy has had a lot of excuses for the delays. The one thing that I don't get is, why the guy keeps hanging around? It's only $8,000 but it was pretty easy to get. If he had this going with a few people, it would be a pretty good scam. I'm trying to post pics of the car he sent.
     
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  14. MAPS

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    #14 MAPS, Jul 25, 2018
    Maybe the guy keeps hanging around because he may have found your friend to be a good person and easily fooled and thinks/wants to milk him as much as he can.

    All these "delays" only seem like an excuse to ask for more money. And your friend will give him the money without much questionning.

    OR, we can all be mistaken (wich I really hope) and indeed is the deal of the century, and everybody is trustworthy and we (I) are/am being unfair...
     
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    #16 rmani, Jul 25, 2018
    Classic Scam
     
  17. thorn

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    #17 thorn, Jul 25, 2018
    Strippers don't hang out with you all night at a club because they like you. They do it to extract as much cash from you as possible.

    Your friend will never take delivery of that car.
     
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    #18 Rosso328, Jul 25, 2018
    Absolutely a total scam.

    Off topic but... you’re not THE Ian Hunter, are you?
     
  19. ianah1975

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    #19 ianah1975, Jul 25, 2018
    No. But funny story:

    A few years ago I was at Fort Lauderdale Ferrari and someone asked me, "Didn't Ian Hunter sing for Jethro Tull?" I replied, "No, Ian Hunter sang for Mott the Hoople. Ian Anderson sang for Jethro Tull and that is my middle name." He said, "Wow, you're parents were really into rock and roll."
     
  20. Challenge64

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    #20 Challenge64, Jul 26, 2018
    That’s not possible. You cannot import a car from Russia into the US. No way. Has to be 25 years or older.
     
  21. ianah1975

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    #21 ianah1975, Jul 26, 2018
    I told him that. Plus, the guy said, he will pay for the conversion.
     
  22. MAPS

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    #22 MAPS, Jul 26, 2018
    One cannot import a car from Russia younger than 25 years or is it "just" economically disastrous?
     
  23. MAPS

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    #23 MAPS, Jul 26, 2018
    Damm, one can only dream :D
     
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  24. Ferrari27

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    #24 Ferrari27, Jul 26, 2018
    Sorry if I am stating the obvious but
    ZFF67NHB000 is the start of the VIN for a LHD 458 Italia F1, not a Speciale.
    A LHD Speciale would begin ZFF75VHB000.

    Either the car photographed is not a Speciale, or the VIN is from a different car.
     
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    #25 ianah1975, Jul 26, 2018
    The guy selling the car told him it was a 458 Italia with Speciale parts.
     
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