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Bravo! I like this thinking (although for this body style, I'd have to put red on the odder side of the line, and some of the colors that look a little strange on a 308, like oro, are fab...)
so, please tell us, where is the market for a fully 'sorted' 365 GT4 or 5 speed manual 400 (not 400i)...and i assume you also mean a rust-free, tear-free car with compression... because if you know it, you might be the only one...pretty rare over here...and one that's California friendly, no less...tall order that pretty much limits you to pre-'76 365's ! actually, for there to be a 'market', there has to be someone selling something...which begs the question, who in North American is selling a car that fits the description ? here's where it's at Europe...http://www.anamera.com/en/find/list/index.html?no_cache=1 ...all over the place, but certainly different to what the FML seems to think. so, against my better judgement (weird feeling here), i'll post what i have...previously titled in VA as a '73 and currently registered in Canada as a '73. pics from this morning...oddball colour ? well, not exactly, as it was Marrone Metallic originally and was just resprayed in it's original shade...but a little off the 'beaten path'. it's certainly 'sorted' though...virtually everything was just redone and documented...easily considered 'very good' condition. so, where's the 'market' for this car...you tell me...i have no idea beyond the fact that my 'hard costs' will, by a large margin, exceed anything i'll ever get back. let the games begin... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Not exactly? How about Beautiful! Did you undo the US modifications (e.g., the side marker lights) or did it slip into VA unmodified?
Brett, It looks much better than when it was red! Steve, I'm pretty sure that car never had the modifications. Regards, Art S.
hey Steve, i actually meant that it's not really an oddball colour because so many were painted Marrone... oh boy, here we go...which i knew would happen, but...in for a dime, in for a dollar...and, obviously, that's the million dollar question, right Rob ? IMHO, there has to be a correlation between what somebody pays (the cost) and the end result, because the terrminology is so vagued and expectations very so wildly. having said that, what we're talking about here is a virtually rust free car to begin with that received $12 500 worth of paint and body, not including any dis or reassembly. i would consider the condition of all metal to be very, very good and the actual quality of the paint to be good...but it's yet to be cut, so i think it will end up as very good. regardless, it would be considered by anyone to be in very fresh, presentable, driver quality condition...they got into all the nooks...and it was going back to original. it's motor was re-ringed, main/thrust/rod bearings, valves, guides, seats, seals, all gaskets, o-rings, oil/wpump...the motor is 'all there', no pistons or rods required here. 'box was gone through, syncros measured, flipped where required, none replaced, new input and output shft bearings...'box operates beautifully, perfectly...as does the clutch. it was completely rebushed, but shocks were cleaned up not rebuilt, new wheels bearings, calipers rebuilt, rotors turned. carbs and distributors rebuilt, headers coated, exhaust refreshed... all mousehair bits recovered, 28 in total, leather refreshed, etc. by definition, it was certainly not restored, but does what was done add up to 'very good'...that's in the 'eye of the beholder', no ? it looks really nice, drives beautifully and has no needs...that's all i know...i'll encourage both of the guys that will drive it this weekend to post there thoughts... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
i take solace in the fact that you two are still lurking out there somewhere...too long since i spoke with either of you...thanks.
I also want to pop in to say, that THIS is the proper treatment of many of our cars.... A 'what it needs" approach without tearing it all to bits and spending a tanker load of money on "everything"... JRV would always say: "Don't worry about that, you NEED to worry about THIS!" That car came out looking fresh, and ready to go many more fun filled miles.
titled in VA unmodified...i really don't know much beyond that other than what the selling dealer told me... and it wouldn't matter now because it would have to treated as a fresh import anyway, as my time ran out and i had to register it here, under my name. thanks Alan...that's what we do here, love us or hate us... i have a deep respect for the 'restorers' of the world, but that's not really what makes us tick...we take tired, unloved cars and give them back a degree of respectibilty...that's it. so, where is the market ?
ah, but are they ? certainly 365's could have had clear lenses depending on delivery market...but i also believe they could have had what we call the 400 valance also... look at all the cars in the Anamera link Art...i think if a car was a '75 or '76, it could have came from the factory with the later valance. now, like i said, this car was titled as a '73 in VA, therefore it was necessarily registered here as a '73...no way around that... but it has a later serial #...like '75'ish... so, again, because i don't want this thread to become about this car, where's the market ?
Brett- Do I dare say it here? We chatted via email about this already. The market to sell the car this week is $30K. That's the ebay buyer price for one this good. We've all seen remarkably good looking cars sell very short, because they were put on ebay. The market to sell the car in the next few months?? Sell it through a dealer? maybe close to $45K. The market to buy the car from a Sheehan/Shaughnessy or from Stu at Copley Motorcars or one of the other exotic resellers?? Maybe $60K+. Maybe. People buy the seller and the "Story" of the car as much as they buy the car... unless it's ebay and then they try and steal the car and NEVER worry about service history, PPI or the like.
fair enough Jay...but, at the risk of sounding argumentative, find me a single 365 GT4 2+2 that's complete and running, not well, just running, for $30K and, as always, i'll buy it. just one...and that's just it...a marketplace requires sellers...whose selling over here ? ergo, how can the market be $30K...because FML says so...bah ! and it's not that i disagree with you, it's just that i totally disagree with you...sort of...but what i do know for a fact is that these sell for far, far more than that...i've sold some ! to put it another way, Dino GT4's are $25K, right ? except 2 years ago that when i sold my sympathetically restored, previously hit, painted motor, USA '75...i got $55K... but unless people talk about real world prices for these cars, all people have to go on is heresay. how's the soon-to-be world's most expensive Dino GT4 coming along ? ; )
Where´s the market? Hard to say, a very well sorted one sells for 55K euro. However last year I a bought a '73 RHD 365GT4 2+2 for less than 15K euro, with a lot of work on it though... These are popular sites in europe: http://www.autoscout24.eu/ListGN.aspx?atype=C&mmvmk0=27&mmvmd0=2115&mmvco=1&make=27&model=2115&pricefrom=1000&ustate=N%2CU http://suchen.mobile.de/auto/ferrari-365-gt4-2-2.html?scopeId=C&isSearchRequest=true&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&lang=de&makeModelVariant1.makeId=8600&makeModelVariant1.modelId=15&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=gt4%202%2B2 Jan
Too nice to sell Brett, unless you have your eye on a good 400GT...... But that is not what you asked, what is the market value? Only what someone is prepared to pay and the seller prepared to accept under the circumstances at that time. The other value is what is acceptable to an insurance company. That is negotiation. Anyway I am no help because the steering wheel is on the wrong side to be of any value. Damn, there is that word value again.
it's over 30 years old so can be registered in Oz $30K is stealing it $45k is for good mechanical $60k is a concour car I drove a 365 version for over 2,000 miles and have a new found respect for these fantastic cars as it cured me of my wet weather phobia since my accident 8 years ago in a 308GT4. If I was in the US I'd have this car but I'd want the "Judge" to check it out for me
does Yin have to list out every type of ad that goes in FerrariAds or just saying Want Ad in this case OK because that's what this thread was started as?
thanks guys...but i never said it was for sale and it's never been advertised for sale...i've pitched to couple of guys that have 'nibbled' over the years, but that's it. i don't know yet what i'm doing with it...
Just a quick chime in here. I think we all know that there are deals done away from the public eye where cars are sold. Those deals typically involve some of the nicer examples. I personally know of at least 3 5-speeds that have chamged hands in the US in the past 3 or 4 years for well over $40k each (one went for +60k). Now having said that, at any given time there are only 30 or so 5-speeds out there in North America and in the grand scheme of things not that many autos. How many are for sale at any given time? Not many.
