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  1. 375+

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  3. donv

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    Nice looking driver Daytona. I agree about the color. Daytonas on BaT seem to go in a very tight range- I don't think one has ever cracked $500k. So probably 400-450 for this car.

    Unless, as with any auction, there are two bidders who really want it... but this one doesn't seem that special.
     
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    ... or “as with any auction”, only one bidder “who really wants it” is required.
    Auctioneers trusty chandeliers and/or shills will always be around and ready to accommodate that desire.
     
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    Friendly bids will get it close to reserve. If they get near to reserve at the close the auctioneer can hammer it Sold and eat some of the buyers commission. A narrow 5,000 window(except for white glove listings) on BAT.
     
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    I've seen lots of auction on BaT go fairly close to the reserve (according to the sellers) and not make it over the top. I continue to believe you need two real buyers most of the time, on BaT. Live auctions, sure.

    This car only made it to $460k in August at Gooding, with all the benefits of live auction, chandeliers, etc. I don't see it going higher than that on BaT... although if it only makes, say, $430k (which is entirely reasonable), the buyer might clear almost as much as if it had sold at Gooding.

    BaT must know by now not to set a Daytona reserve above $500k, although maybe it's worth it for the additional views, I don't know.
     
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    Well, Gooding charges buyers a premium of close to $50k on a $460k hammer, so if the bid in August was real, then the buyer would have the same “out of pocket” if they went to $505k on BaT (or there abouts).

    Of course, even a real buyer at Gooding, might not be willing to pay the same amount over BaT; if for no other reason than the fact that via Gooding one is more-or-less guaranteed a drama-less ownership transfer.

    To me, this is a pretty nice car; clearly whoever worked on it cared that things be relatively correct.
     
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    Looks like a clean honest car.
    Not a fan of black on Daytonas.

    The original color is close to gold?
     
  10. Marcel Massini

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    No.
    It is Rame Metallizzato 106-R-49 Salchi.
    That's copper.
    Like the Harrah Hot Rod Daytona #14169.

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    Marcel were all of the modifications done either at Modern Classic Motors or at the museum restoration shop?
     
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  13. Marcel Massini

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    Done by Francisco Mir's Service & Diagnosis Center in Santa Monica/CA.

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    That Rame Metallizzato color is absolutely stunning! It is funny, if you read some of the included documentation, there is a letter or email discussing when Ferrari of Beverly Hills decided to do the color change to a "more acceptable" black. I someone puts it back to original some day.
     
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    Any known attempts or plans to restore her back to "as built" (by factory) configuration ?
    Just curious.
     
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    sometime around 2003, i inquired about the harrah hot rod as it was for sale. was told it had front end damage and was previously restored with the european plexinose configuration.
    at the time i called it was recently restored back to the pop up lights.
    apparently getting pop up lights was difficult so some cars were tepaired with the available plexinose parts.
     
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    This is why I always suspect that plexi-nose spyder conversions on late chassis were converted because of a bad shunt...

    Even if the parts were not hard to get, there is just less to do if you put it back as a plexi; assuming of course that that you want to rebuild the nose “for some odd reason”... :)
     
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    I have been bidding on this auction, currently the lead bidder. The idea of a nice car that you can drive with fewer worries is appealing . I agree that the likely completion costs will be $200k+


    I wish us both the best of luck!!



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    would be great if you could introduce yourself a little and fill out your profile please. this will help you and also the community here ;)
     
  21. Edward 96GTS

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    @ChrisGA, $200k will get you a nice driver. $75k engine rebuild, $75k for paint, $20k for interior. but can you or will you stop there?
    you may be at $300-400k by the time you get it the way you want it. and the more expensive restoration will be the better “investment” especially if you collect a few platinum awards along the way.
     
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    $ 75 K for paint? No way. Gimme a break. Half of that is more normal. Even in Switzerland which is one of the most expensive places on the planet.
    No need for a paint job by Junior's House of Colors.

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    $75k is the going rate in Calif. ask Brian Hoygt(sp?).
    as you know Brian has painted many a Cavallino Classics Ferraris.
    $10-15k for chrome.
     
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    Brandoli in Italy wants 10 K for chrome.
    I am aware of the prices in CA and Brian is a friend since years.
    For a bread-and-butter Daytona 75 K $ for paint would be insane.

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    I'm sure the environmental and regulatory costs in California are insane! I'm impressed that they can even paint a car there.
     
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    You are thinking of spending $200k on the running, driving Daytona? That's how much I was thinking of spending on the PF Coupe project!

    If I bought that Daytona, I would probably just leave it alone and drive it. I'm sure it has some needs-- all used cars do-- but no reason not to use it as-is. But that's just me.
     
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    I was more surprised by the chrome...although, they might send it to the mid-west somewhere. My guy in PDX stopped doing chrome more than ten years ago.
     
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    I certainly agree that $75k for paint is crazy.

    At the same time, most shops in the US do seem to be "asylums"... :)

    When I as actually shopping for a car, I looked at more than one that needed paint, and pretty much every shop with a good reputation told me to plan for $100k before I got the car back; made me decide that I was not willing to buy a car that needed a paint job.

    I think there are two issues at play. The first is that most shops seem to assume that it is never just paint, so that $100k includes stripping to bare metal, some substantive rust repair, chrome, new rubber, and replacement of various bits and pieces that get broken during the stripping of the car. The second is that the shops basically don't want to take on a "just paint" car; if they are going to bother getting involved with a paint project they want to get a big payoff out of it, so it is a "Junior House of Colors" approach to things, or "it's not worth doing"; there seems to be no in between that I could find.

    Story is probably different for guys that have some other 100-point project at a shop; I would have to think that really good customers get a little more consideration. But for "walk-ins off the street" like me, it was "show me $100k, or take it somewhere else".

    Now 14635 might well be a case where there are no horrors under the current paint, and the compression numbers don't give the impression that it would need an engine rebuild in the near future. I'm not even sure why one would do much to the interior. So to me, $200k sounds like rather a lot to budget for work on that particular car.
     

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