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360 oil filter stuck?

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  1. LP360

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    I'm trying to change my oil filter and oil pressure sensor but I'm struggling to remove it. I brought a tool which fits over the filter snug but it's snapped the tool which is rated to 115nm. So I brought another one just incase it was duff and same thing happened. Any ideas how to remove it?


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  2. fsprow

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    I had this problem on a 911 once and drilled a hole through both sides of the filter (about 3/8" diameter) and inserted a steel rod extending through both sides and turned it. Worked great. As I'm sure you know, put some oil on the filter gasket and don't over tighten.

    Good luck.
     
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  3. APA#1

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    Drive a screwdriver thru the filter and use the handle as leverage.
     
  4. Doctor Mark

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    For future reference, get the Hill Engineering oil filter tool it will not fail. It is very robust.
     
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  6. LP360

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    All my engine panels are off at the paint shop ATM so could try this however this as last resort and looks tight in there. I can get access to the left side of the filter but may struggle to drive a screwdriver through it?

    Cheers.
     
  7. yelcab

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    That one Maserati filter will work on the 360 filter. Although, if you are doing this more than a few times, the Hill Engineering one is far superior of a tool.
     
  8. f355spider

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    As previously posted above, get a better filter tool. That one you have pictured has been shown to notoriously break, exactly as yours have. You can weld the tab back on...but....If you get the Hill Engineering tool, one and done
     
  9. 360+Volt=Prius

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  10. wbt

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    I've found these to be hopeless, they just skid around with little grip.
     
  11. Motob

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    There is no room to drive a screwdriver through it. Either get the Hill engineering tool or use a good quality universal tool (such as a Hazet), or a Snap-on strap tool to remove the filter.

    Brian Brown
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  12. 360+Volt=Prius

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    I agree sometimes won’t work. . But ubiquitous and inexpensive, rather than 86 bucks for a special tool for an oil filter for one car. This has gotten me out of jams a few times.

    Use one hand to keep jaws in place while ratcheting and getting the jaws to clamp

    Here’s another inexpensive solution, also widely available that has helped me: Image Unavailable, Please Login


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  13. mike32

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    If the strap just slips on the filter, then use an office stapler and attach some abrasive tape to the strap, will stop it slipping. Something like one inch wide aluminum oxide tape
     
  14. Doctor Mark

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    I will gladly accept $86 over an afternoon of hassle and frustration. Even worse, is trying to save money and buying a tool that also does not work. Do yourself a favor buy the Hill tool.
     
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  15. LP360

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    I've just purchased the Hill Engineering tool. My oil filter isn't budging at all with everything I've tried so far (Not tried the screwdriver, I'm too chicken for that)


    When the HE tool comes through the post should I run the engine up to temp to get the filter warm to try and loosen the filter or do it while its stone cold?
     
  16. fatbillybob

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    Strap tool never fails. Hill type is faster and I would use it if I was doing this all the time. The strap tool works on every oil filter including the always stuck on Cummins diesel.
     
  17. hessank

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    Can't believe filter could be on that snug to break tools. Stupid question but you sure you're using the " righty tighty lefty loosey " rule?
     
  18. LP360

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    Its hard to believe also, I've never had an issue with oil filters on any of my previous cars but on the 360 it's either been over tightened or hasn't been changed. Correct I've been using my ratchet as like loosening a nut or a bolt turning counter-clockwise to undo.

    I had to check on my new oil filter to make sure its not opposite thread. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Motob

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    The pressed steel oil filter tool is poorly made. If you look at the photo above you will see that the drive portion of the tool with the 3/8" square hole is welded to the filter cup with only 6 tiny spot welds.

    The oil filters get stuck on and take a large amount of torque to remove them. I have to use a 1/2" drive breaker bar with a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter in order to generate enough force to remove stuck filters. After few stuck filters the spot welds holding the drive portion of the pressed steel filter to the cup break. I have had to TIG weld two of the pressed steel filter tools (mine and the dealerships).

    The other problem with the pressed steel filter wrench is that they must be fully seated on the oil filter (a couple of hammer taps on the extension), because they can flex and expand, slipping on the flats on the oil filter. Once the flats on the filter are damaged, you cannot use the tool to remove it. After working at a shop with the Hill tool, I never use the stamped steel tool. If the Hill tool is installed properly, It will not slip on the filter.

    The new oil filter should have the seal lubed with oil and torqued to the proper spec (it's on the filter) during installation.

    Brian Brown
    San Francisco Motorsports
     
  20. Skidkid

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    I am with the people who say 'buy the right tool and get the job done'. Messing around and struggling for hours to save a few $ is pointless AND you could easily damage something else in the struggle making the total cost more.

    These are torqued fairly tight BUT some people over torque them because they don't use a torque wrench. Combine that with heat cycles causing them to get tighter over time and they can be very stuck. It is common
     
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  21. f355spider

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    My experience as well. Not to tarnish the rep of vehicle techs or over generalize, but I have dealt with more than my share of too tight drain plugs and oil filters on cars. I have even had to replace drain plugs that would not thread back on due to damage from over tightening. Once I started performing the fluid changes myself, and using a calibrated torque wrench to tighten, never had an issue with these cars again.
     
  22. 360+Volt=Prius

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    I love my 360, but if I can use a tool available up the road for ~10 bucks to do the job properly, and have it in stock for other uses (boat, snow sleds, other cars). I just can’t see spending 90 bucks for a oil filter wrench and waiting for it, unless perhaps I was doing it for a living and using it often.

    I never skimp on the important stuff. I pride myself on using creative & frugal solutions to a “special tool” when possible. Also I hate to wait if I’m in the middle of a project.


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  23. Kevin R

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    Get the right tool, worth every penny!
     

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  24. up4speed

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    As others have said, DEFINITELY use the correct tools! Buy the Billet aluminum filter wrench (Hill Engineering), and use a breaker bar, and I pretty much can guarantee that you will take it off with ease. Whatever you do, don't use the screwdriver poke through method! You will make a mess of everything, and probably don't have enough room to get in there anyway.
     
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  25. Doctor Mark

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    After you remove the old filter, make sure that you put the new one on using a torque wrench. Correct torque has recently been changed to 30nm was previously 25nm. 30nm is about 22 ftlbs.
     

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