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312 PB for sale.

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  1. Bob Zambelli

    Bob Zambelli F1 Rookie
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    Nov 3, 2003
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    A gentleman form Connecticut once owned a car like this. Do you happen to know if this is the same car?


    Bob Z.
     
  2. Anteriore

    Anteriore Formula Junior

    Jan 4, 2004
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    This is s/n 0880 (was 0878) and was owned by Mr. William Binnie (Don't know if he is from Connecticut). AFAIK he owned the car since 2001 and it participated on many occasions in the Ferrari Historic Challenge.
     
  3. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That was Peter G. Sachs in 1983 with 0894. Not the same car.
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  4. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Bill Binnie bought 0880 in November 2000 from Symbolic. This is the only short chassis 312 P left. Correct name is 312 P, not PB. The "B" was added by journalists but is not an official factory designation.
    Marcel Massini
     
  5. Bob Zambelli

    Bob Zambelli F1 Rookie
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    Marcel - yes, now I remember. The car belonged to Mr Sachs.

    Regarding the "P" and "PB" - as I was told, the original 312P was a 3 liter 60 degree V-12. My friend owned the car for a while - I helped him deliver it from Mr Secard (sp?) to his home in upstate NY.
    The 312PB that Mr Sachs owned and I did a bit of work on it at Watkins, has a FLAT 12, hence the "B" for boxer.

    Make sense?

    Bob Z.
     
  6. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Factory never called them PB. Even today they still say 312 P. Also the build sheets say 312 P only.
    The name of the guy is François Sicard.
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  7. Christian.Fr

    Christian.Fr Two Time F1 World Champ

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    he s near the genius...it s like that, nobody could understand.
     
  8. Wouter Melissen

    Wouter Melissen Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2003
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    It's a V12 not a Boxer.
     
  9. Bertocchi

    Bertocchi Formula 3
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    Jan 28, 2004
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    Bill Binnie lives in Rye, NH and kept the 312PB in England.
     
  10. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #11 Marcel Massini, May 5, 2006
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  11. zwoemba

    zwoemba Formula 3

    Nov 22, 2003
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    How much is it worth?
     
  12. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    A good 312 P(B) is worth today at least US$ 2.2 M and up.
    I think the last one sold was 0886 in September 2005.
    Marcel Massini
     
  13. michael platzer

    michael platzer F1 Veteran

    Nov 12, 2003
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    Michael Platzer
    #14 michael platzer, May 5, 2006
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  14. Scuderia Pinguino

    Mar 21, 2006
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    At least four 312P's have been sold in the last two years. 0880 to USA in 06, 0890 to GB in 06, 0892 to USA in 05 and 0886 to GB in 05.

    I believe that 0880 is not the only 'short wheel base' car in existence (2.22m). 0882 (currently Christian Glasel) and 0884 ( currently Pierre Bardinon) had 2.22m Wheel base and were diposed of at the end of the 1972 season by the factory. The remaining cars 0886-0896 had their chassis's altered at the front to increase the wheelbase.
     

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