IMHO Surely the great question is when does something cease to exist as an item. If I drink a bottle of wine and then refill the bottle does it still exist or is it just a bottle with liquid in it, Jeffersons axe with three new heads and two handles. And many many other analogies. Well when does 6045LM cease to exist, surely there becomes a point where you systematically replace all of the car until you have a very nice accurate car that contains only small parts actually built by Ferrari in the 1960's. I would feel that no matter what you get you willl always have more questions than answer's. Cheers Tim
Wine does not require maintenance just consuming, thus analogy incorrect. Still the same axe, or atleast it has continuous history. Now if the guy next door has an axe of the same type and year that has never been used, then to some it will be worth more, but to others Jeffersons would be worth more because it has been maintained and has a more colourful history . All really old cars suffer this issue, if you want them to continue being CARs. Alfa Romeo P3 race cars for example. By now a heck of a lot would have had to have been atleast remachined to continue racing the wonderful things ... but it's still the same car, just had a lot of maintenance. You guys (sometimes me ) get too strung up on the 'how it left the factory' angle, and original chassis debate. A race mechanic does not give a toss what the chassis tag is, or says, or even if it still exists, his boss wants a car ready to race tomorrow ... and that car has been documented as appearing on the grid and racing. The driver drove something. Now if the original chassis was replaced in this get it ready process, does that mean the 'car' no longer exists? ... heck the spectators saw it race. IMO the 'car' still exists but it has a new replacement chassis. The only issue with all of this is when documentation is not accurate, whether for deception or just could not be bothered. And yeah sure it would be great to own a LM that was just like it was after it's last 'real' race, but if you were ever going to move it again, it will need a simpathetic rebuild, AND some components will have to be replaced. Pete
Big difference between a car with chassis and bodywork that was modified, repaired and/or recreated in the course of its racing career, and a car based on chassis and bodywork replicated anew around an original heater core.
If the engine is known as the 'heart and soul' of a Ferrari wouldn't the one in california be a replica with the 'heart and soul' and the other car be the one with a partial 'rib cage'? The whole story is a shame, greed is very ugly and devisive. I wish someone would buy both cars and have them combined to make one nice resurrection, but it will still be an awfully storied car and will never bring as much as any of the other existing 250LMs. Both are beautifully done. Terry
True. Totally agree. Even when you have money it appears that the chance to make a little bit more oh too easily causes some to er, lower themselves ... shame, shame. In the end as long as the history is known, it really does not matter if a car is a 99% replica, built around a single wheel bearing as market price will indicate that cars right position. The problem occurs when people lie ... Pete
... or misrepresent, or have different opinions If there was not so much money involved this would be a non-issue completely. I do though think it is about time that people who own old race Ferraris start thinking of them like old Alfa Romeo racers, ie. they are all bitsas, but the chassis numbers still keep on racing. Pete
