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250 LWB Cal Spyder

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  1. 275GTBSaran

    275GTBSaran Formula Junior

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    RM just listed a 250 LWB Cal Spyder Covered headlights for Arizona.
    The estimate is $7-9m.

    I think even though this is a RARE and desirable car-this estimate seems rather high.
    I would have thought $5-7m more realistic with it selling closer to $6m at the most.
    Lets see what 2014 brings!

    Any other thoughts?
     
  2. tilomagnet

    tilomagnet Formula Junior

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    Race history? Alloy body?

    "Ordinary" steel LWBs were under $1 MM five years ago!
     
  3. BIRA

    BIRA Formula Junior

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    Remember that 7m estimate all in is 6.36 at hammer . If seller pays full commission it is 5.724 net for him..so all depends where is really the reserve price..
     
  4. 275GTBSaran

    275GTBSaran Formula Junior

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    In this market of no supply (i.e few sellers willing to part from their cars) I bet a high amount that the seller is paying zero fees (or very close to zero) in this particular case!
    But yes your right it does depend on where the reserve is.

    I know it silly to look backwards but in 2009 an exact same standard car-so no alloy, no prototype, no competition but simply with covered headlights fail to sell at $2.5m at Gooding
    (I think the buyer secured the deal after auction with $2.6m).

    How times have changed ;)
    Best Edmond
     
  5. bill@saucelitocanyon.com

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    What is the serial number? I am still looking for 1641
     
  6. 375+

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    I believe it is s/n 1077.
     
  7. VIZSLA

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    The RM car is listed as 1055 on their web site.
     
  8. 375+

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    Sorry, you are correct. Need coffee.
     
  9. bill@saucelitocanyon.com

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    #9 [email protected], Dec 15, 2013
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    That number, 1055, seems to be too low number to be a completion model like I USED to have. 1641 was the second to last made. Never forgot that V12 so I just bought a 550.
     
  10. 275GTBSaran

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    You don't even want to calculate how many 550s you could have now if you....(you can guess that rest) ;)
     
  11. Ferrari_250tdf

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    I remember this car very well. Some years ago I had a drive with the then owner the late Holger Richter around the Chiemsee in Bavaria. What a blast we had. The engine just came back from the Piet Roloefs rebuilt and performed excellent. And the sound sent shivers up and down the spine. What I always liked was that with this taillight setup it looks like an open TdF. A beautiful car!
     
  12. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Although note that good 550's are hitting $3.5 million, porsche 550's that is

    Merry christmas to you all :)
     
  13. Xtremradial

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    is it true that when Ferrari issued the california spyder, covered headlights were only for export as not allowed in Italy?
     
  14. miurasv

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    Covered headlights were not prohibited by Italian law until 1959 so not true.
     
  15. Xtremradial

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    thanks for having clarified this. I was wondering why some of the "suppose to be" covered headlight were issue with open headlight on the SWB version... Very clear now
     
  16. miurasv

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    What is confusing, to me anyway, is that some of the 1959 cars with covered headlights were sold in Italy????
     
  17. Xtremradial

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    Unfortunately I do not hold enough intel on 1959 cars to be able to answer your question. I'm in a middle of a transaction on a 1960 SWB (which was delivered in Italy) and the "headlights" were an issue... but it seems that it is resolved now thanks to you. Thank you again.
     
  18. miurasv

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    #18 miurasv, Dec 23, 2013
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    The first 8 250GT SWB California Spyders were completed in 1960.

    #1883GT is said to have been delivered to Italy originally with open headlights and converted to closed. The same for #1915GT which was also originally said to have been delivered to Italy with open headlights but converted to closed.
    #1951GT is said to have been delivered to Italy with closed headlamps but I notice that Tom Meade was a former owner so if I was interested in buying this car I would find out if he converted it from open to closed headlamps.

    I would not count any of the above as being accurate. To get the best information on the car in question contact Marcel Massini.
     
  19. Xtremradial

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    #19 Xtremradial, Dec 23, 2013
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    thank you for this again, very helpful (it s one of those 3 cars we are talking about) - and sorry to have polluted this post with the covered headlights story
     
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  21. 275GTBSaran

    275GTBSaran Formula Junior

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    Its really hard to say. Some collectors actually prefer the LWB to the SWB today. My best guess it still around 20-30% at least. Any other opinions?
     
  22. tilomagnet

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    Now that most of these will become static objects due to insane price paid the better driveability of SWBs shouldnt matter a lot anymore and obviously the LWBs are much better looking, so.....
     
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