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1929 Targa Florio Type 35 Cs

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  1. El Wayne

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  2. dbw

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    most likely 4870 and 4871 ...ran as works cars and not atypically then sold..one to a private party and one thru bugattis paris showroom...

    4868 was sold to elisabeth junek as a t35c but was run in t35b form as a privateer. her fifth place finish was legendary but for the demise of her waterpump she might well have won!!
     
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    Thanks! Somewhere I have photos that I took of 4871 at Laguna Seca in '03. Talk about beautiful patina!


    Pics: Junek, 4868, Targa Florio, 1928:
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  4. dbw

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    hmmmmm...good old 4871....a few bug buddies and i went all over that car at laguna that year..it seems to be quite original but the word is it had a through mechanical rogering by the dutton folks...everything new and exposed was distressed to match original stuff..i will hand it to the englishmen ..they are the patina-ing masters.

    i have seen brit 8c alfas that have 50 miles on them, are less than a year old and look 100....well ,the factory numbers are quite another thing....
     
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  5. Il Vecchio

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    I believe that Dick Ridell's 35C is the ex-Elizabeth Juneck car from the 1928 Targe Florio?
     
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    #6 El Wayne, Oct 12, 2009
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    Juneck had several Type 35s. The Riddell car is 4572. Though there's a lot of confusion regarding #s 4572/4831/4059.

    Found this list of Juneck Bugs on another forum. No idea how accurate it is, but here's a link to the source: http://www.bugattibuilder.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1130

    Eliska Junek:
    07-09-1924
    Lochotin-Tremosna
    T30 #4001

    13-04-1925
    Zbraslav-Jiloviste
    T30 #4001

    10-05-1925
    Brno-Sobesice
    T30 #4001

    07-06-1925
    Dubí-Cínovec
    T30 #4001

    05-07-1925
    Schober-Rumburk
    T30 #4001

    12-07-1925
    Karlovy-Vary
    T30 #4001

    09-05-1926
    Zbrasla-Jiloviste
    T35 #

    23-05-1926
    Knoviz-Olsany
    T35 #4328

    06-06-1926
    Brno-Sobesice
    T35 #

    13-06-1926
    Schober-Rumburk
    T35 #

    11-07-1926
    Karlovy-Vary
    T35 #

    08-08-1926
    Swiss-GP
    T35 #

    19-09-1926
    Ecce-Homo
    T35 #4572

    28-09-1926
    Hrebenky-Praque
    T35 #

    24-04-1927
    Targa-Florio - No.34
    T35TC #4815

    08-05-1927
    Zbraslav-Jiloviste
    T35C #4831

    15-05-1927
    Knoviz-Olsany
    T35C #4831

    05-06-1927
    Brno-Sobesice
    T35C #4831

    19-06-1927
    Karlova-Studanka (damage to the engine)
    T35C #4831

    26-06-1927
    Schober-Rumburk
    T35C #4831

    17-07-1927
    German-GP - No.21
    T35C #4831

    14-08-1927
    Coupe-Montlhery - No.9
    T35TC #4815

    11-09-1927
    Svaty-Kopecek
    T35C #4831

    18-09-1927
    Ecce-Homo
    T35C #4831

    16-10-1927
    Coupe-Montlhery - No.1
    T35TC #4815

    06-05-1928
    Targa-Florio - No.58
    T35B #4868

    03-06-1928
    Karlova-Studanka (no start)


    10-06-1928
    Zbraslav-Jiloviste (cancelled)


    10-06-1928
    Rome-GP (no car)


    24-06-1928
    Knoviz-Olsany (the last motorrace)
    T35 #4328



    Vincenc Junek:
    16-09-1923
    Schober-Rumburk
    T32 #4059

    30-09-1923
    Lochotin-Tremosna
    T32 #4059

    04-05-1924
    Brno-Sobesice
    T30 #4001

    07-09-1924
    Lochotin-Tremosna
    T35 #4328

    13-04-1925
    Zbraslav-Jiloviste
    T35 #4328

    10-05-1925
    Brno-Sobesice
    T35 #4328

    07-06-1925
    Dubí-Cínovec
    T35 #4328

    ??-06-1925
    Teplic-
    T35 #4328

    05-07-1925
    Schober-Rumburk
    T35 #4328

    12-07-1925
    Karlovy-Vary
    T35 #4328

    09-05-1926
    Zbrasla-Jiloviste
    T35 #4572

    23-05-1926
    Knoviz-Olsany
    T35 #4572

    06-06-1926
    Brno-Sobesice
    T35 #4572

    13-06-1926
    Schober-Rumburk
    T35 #4572

    11-07-1926
    Karlovy-Vary
    T35 #4572

    19-09-1926
    Ecce-Homo
    T35T #4815

    28-09-1926
    Hrebenky Praque
    T35 #4572

    08-05-1927
    Zbraslav-Jiloviste
    T35TC #4815

    15-05-1927
    Knoviz-Olsany
    T35TC #4815

    05-06-1927
    Brno-Sobesice
    T35TC #4815

    19-06-1927
    Karlova-Studanka
    T35TC #4815

    26-06-1927
    Schober-Rumburk
    T35TC #4815

    11-09-1927
    Svaty-Kopecec
    T35TC #4815

    18-09-1927
    Ecce-Homo
    T35TC #4815

    03-06-1928
    Karlova-Studanka (crash)


    10-06-1928
    Zbraslav-Jiloviste (cancelled)


    10-06-1928
    Rome-GP ??


    24-06-1928
    Knoviz-Olsany
    T35C #4831

    15-07-1928
    German-GP - No.9 (became mortally injured)
    T35B #4868
     
  7. Il Vecchio

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    Wow, thanks for all the info! I'm not too surprised that #4572 has a bit of a convoluted history. I used to pester Riddell about the T51-ish wheels and radiator; the wheels should have bolt-on rims given the year?

    I'm without my late father's library, but the 35C was a 2 liter blown engine vs. the 35B being a 2.3?

    Glad to see another fan of "proper" Bugattis on F-Chat ;-)
     
  8. dbw

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    peter..indeed...the best way to tell a 35b from a 35 c is there is a 1/4" [approx..it's all metric ] "compression plate" between the two cylinder blocks and the main upper crankcase..if all else is correct [what are the chances..] the dash mounted magneto should have a neat little spacer on top of the curved mounting block...all to jack up the mag to match the cam drive as the cambox moves up the same distance as the cylinder blocks.

    i know there is a bit of funny stuff with dick's car but the t51 wheels are a standard upgrade for vintage racing..unless your car was delivered with "small drum" brakes and detachable rim wheels...then you need all new backing plates and shoes etc to mount the 51 wheels...
     
  9. Napolis

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    Very Cool information.
     
  10. dbw

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    re riddells car..conway suggests it's the junick car [4572] but states the engine # , originally 47, is now 50..but that's a bit suspect..as is what most of what conway said..i will find my newest abc book and get the latest skinney...true, for an early car, dick's looks all the part of a 1930 edition..things have a tendency to mutate and not go back to original specs...hell, the juneks constantly had cars at the factory for maintainence and most likely upgrades.

    and, if a gp car spent any time in the uk...or with bunny phillips, well..all bets are off....


    napolis; i can give thousands of minute bugatti gp mechanical trivia..some not so trivial....attempting to set a ring and pinion it occurred to me you couldn't measure the gear lash without the whole assembly finished..not to mention the hub-brakedrum- backing plate relationship was based on the ring gear carrier position [tapered 3/4 floating axles]..after a call to jim stranberg at high mountain classics [an old friend that introduced me to henry manney and donezetti] i said "hey jim, do i really have to take this whole thing apart??" he took a deep breath and said "better get used to it, it normally takes 6 to 8 assembly/dissasemblys to get it right...and thats if you know what you are doing!..good luck!"
     
  11. Napolis

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    They are really special.

    Best
     
  12. Il Vecchio

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    Yes to all you've said. Dick is a friend (well, a friend of my late father's; he and I caught up at Coronado last year), so I won't say much more than to second your comment as to Bunny Phillips...the David Piper of Bugatti's ;-)
     
  13. Aerolithe57

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    10 Divo with #4923 (1974-NV) ... but the car is sold as #4928 (today in Germany)

    36 Minoia with #4928 (1975-NV) ... but the car is also sold as # 4928 (today in the Schlumpf Museum France)
     

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