It gets worse... I don’t track and also love our F8. I just love every time I drive either one. A guy stopped me in a parking lot and asked if I can handle it, referring to the F8. I laughed and said no way, that car is way more than I can handle! He laughed and laughed and drove off after telling me how beautiful it is. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
If you have an 812 and an F8 you have two of the pinnacles of Ferrari production in my opinion. Among the ultimate in pre-electric era Ferraris. As someone who truly values the brilliance of Ferrari combustion engines ... I salute you!
I think there is a distinction to be made between what Ferrari buyers "deserve" or not from a brand loyalty perspective and what the post IPO commercial policy is: 1) So if on one side people who purely buy cars to flip them at a profit do not "deserve" the protection to the value of their cars by Ferrari, on the other side from a commercial perspective the future value of special edition cars has been a very material driver of the purchases of regular models. And as a public company if VS cars were to not perform in the secondary market that would affect the sales of regular models and this is not what a public company CEO can afford. 2) Ferrari itself leveraged the fact that certain cars were performing well in the second hand market as a way to market cars. So they did push the Pista on that basis and for this reason now it would be hypocritical for Ferrari to play the card that "buyers should not buy VS cars with the view that they will appreciate" after they sold plenty of Lussos for example by tying them to the purchase of a Pista. 3) Alternatively Ferrari can decide to let buyers that "deserve" it to lose money on their VS purchases but this will only work if Ferrari is ok with selling materially less cars in the future (if the buyers will only be the ones that really do not care about offsetting the depreciation on their regular models with the appreciation on their VS ones how many less buyers there would be?). Will the stock market be ok with that? I don't think so.
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Isn’t every non-numbered car ever made technically ‘time limited’? Models are routinely superseded based (usually) on a pre-determined program life cycle.
[/QUOTE] Thank you for your views. It is great that you understand Ferrari’s thought process on pricing and marketing so well. After 30 years with the brand I still could never make that claim. Give us a shout when the car is announced in a few months, it would be interesting to see how many of the predictions come true. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Spot on. At my dealership, the level of corruption for the TdF was crazy. They tried it again with Monza but with much less success.
Ok, thats lovely. You seem irritable - almost as if you have been losing sleep. Perhaps you should devote less time to composing your aggressive "I know exactly what's going to happen" posts and "people who disagree with me are scoundrel" posts. And use that time saving to get a little more sleep.
[QUOTE="George330, post: 147682785, member: 85797" Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat[/QUOTE] I made one prediction. Both versions of 812 VS to be limited in number. 799 Coupes base price around $750k. 499 Apertas base price around $850k. With a limited number car they can get that much for them easily. In order for them to make as much profit at a $500k price point they would have to sell more than twice as many of them and while they probably could, it’s double the effort, double the time, and double the capital resources allocated just to make the same money. Another factor weighing towards limited number production is thst fact that physically the factory can’t make a ton of them in a two year run anyway so they might as well number limit them and charge double. In fact, the V12 production line is so constrained in its output that we will probably never see a ‘time limited production’ VS version of a V12 car where they pump out 3,500 of them in two years like they did the Pista Coupe. I really hope I’m wrong. I hope it’s not number of production limited but instead goes on a nice 2 year run even if it makes just a few hundred more cars available to people. I hope they make more and price it lower than I’m predicting. But the probabilities of that happening are not favorable. Hopeful buyers should brace themselves for number limited coupe made in around the same number as the F12tdf and at a moderate premium to that car. Plus a decently lower number of Apertas to make it just that much more special and reward a still higher rung of clientele and that car will be priced slightly higher than the coupe. And to get that car you are going to have to be one of the very top 3 clients at your dealer and a known major customer to the factory.
The factory V12 line has a recent history of 2100+ units per year... and, the number one reason to make the car numbered is the lack of significant performance enhancement (for instance, modest horsepower bump, say, 830PS, remembering that Leiters made a 'big deal' of overcoming the GPFs to achieve same output as pre-GPF in 812GTS, without something external to boost power, like electric motor, it is unlikely the horsepower increase will be significant, for instance, 10% over 812SF)...without a significant power increase, why upgrade except to win favor with the factory, hence numbered edition. If the 812VS does have significant power increase (10%+) then I think time-limited is the best option because it is likely to result in more 812SF upgrade (trade-in) activity where more revenue can be earned. Or, if they increase the rev limit to 9500+, that would be like the XXK cars... And then there is a the daunting thought that "this is it", no more V12 (non-hybrid) special editions, ever... So, sell as many as you can...again, if they have a significant power increase, otherwise, numbered edition is best way to ensure revenue...
Being a dual (Italian) citizen I thoroughly enjoy reading this thread and enjoy the humor in the responses, whereby the "predictions" are based upon the premise that like the Brits, Italians are steadfast, reserved, pragmatic and make unemotional and logical decisions......
Depends on how the marinara was that day. The fate of 812vs production is in the hands of the pasta sauce they are serving in maranello
Good analysis. I pestered my dealer and he said he submitted my name to ferrari for the VS. it didn’t work out for the TDF (I badly wanted that car and still do) so I don’t know if I will make the cut. I have bought several new since then, including the Pista, portofino, 812, 70th anniversary f12, and a Roma on the way. I will be greatly disappointed if I don’t get a shot. This is an expensive hobby! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Besides icona cars, the 812 VS could be it for the long line of pure V12 cars. I’m hoping producing and selling as many as possible to have a strong legacy for many years to come has a chance. How many F40 were produced? Is it less special now?
Based on the heavy camo, this must be the real deal under there. Hard to make anything out but the two “protrusions” at the lower rear corners have carried through to the final design, looks like. What can that be: exhausts moved out laterally to increase diffuser width? Exhaust blown aero with flick?
Check the hood too, appears to be several vents where there are none on the 812SF. And the rear glass area does not appear "smooth", could be slats over that area...
