F8 vs 720S 1/4 Mille

No, considered alone it most certainly is not relevant. There are only 1,500 Lotuses made every year, for all models. Less than the total run of the one-limited-model 765. A friend of mine bought a very rare 400hp one and got an offer back from the dealer after 12 months of roughly half. Rare, but no used demand still equals poor residual. There are many cases like this. Scarcity has to be considered in conjunction with demand to determine residual impact.

I have no clue if the 765 will do better than the SF90, but production is not the only determining factor. Even new demand is only relevant in terms of its influence on supply to the used market. The determining factor is the used demand compared to the used supply (number of new owners who want to sell at a given point). And how can you know that now?

There will likely be 1,500 765s, some estimates say the run of SF90 is 1,000 over two years, so we don’t even know which one is rarer. Most likely it will be 765, possibly 765 will hold value better. More than that who can say?

And by the way, I just noticed the 765 has not been universally well received - Chris Harris and Ollie Marriage from Top Gear have said it is not good - very nervous - CH said buy a 720. The 675 was more limited, universally well received, and lost a packet.

 

Ferrari always lies about weight, come on guys it’s old news.

 

Funny how so many on Fchat have always discredited CH for his Ferrari reviews - as in not knowing what he’s talking about vs all the other Journalists who gave glowing reviews - yet now draw upon him as being the final word and only one worth listening to for the 765 review. Too funny.

 

Hardly suggesting it's the final word, merely saying that everyone liked the 675 and it still lost value. Clearly not everyone likes the 765 so it makes it that bit harder to think the value issue won't be similar (it still may not be, we just don't know is the truth). As you can see from my buying history, residual value is important but not critical to me. I think the 765 will be great and if someone feels compelled to buy one, seems like a great choice to me.

 

I'm judging the SF90 demand by the lack of interest from people I know and this forum and for good reason. The 2nd hand market wont be any kinder.

The 765 has been incredibly well received and the fact that the 720 is so good it makes it harder to justify if you still have a 720. If I still had mine I would likely not make the move either.

I think we are past letting journalists dictate what we like. The car was obviously too much for Ollie. Looks like he prefers something slower and safer. Overwhelmingly the others loved it as I am sure most owners will.

 

In the auto world this is where things get tougher. All of these cars are so fast, ridiculously fast for the street. These new cars need to be well rounded to justify their costs and to keep demand. I may be getting ahead of myself but the 765 seems to tick a lot of boxes. If you want a lightweight, high performing ICE vehicle this might be the last of its kind.

 

To LL and GH, you’re saying the same thing. Supply and demand curves dictate all. You’re only arguing over the future demand curve. Good luck. If one of you has a crystal ball let’s talk.

 

Mine is generally cloudy

 

765 holding value better than an SF90? Oh God, good one!

Not even as scrap metal as it’s got “carbon”

 

what I find odd about CH is how he hates the 765 for being raw and nervous but adores the tdf for the very same reasons.

 

absolute classic ferrari, at what point did they start telling lies about the weight of every car?

 

Macca’s check hasn’t cleared this time...

 

Don’t really need a crystal ball when one is probably the best holding value brand in the industry and the other probably the poorest, and getting worse real fast..

 

These guys try to stir up people and be controversial.

 

Oh an it looks like Noone's brother is online again.

 

Trap speed differences highlight the crazy power to weight of the 720S. The F8 only traps 2 mph or so higher than the 992 TTS. Big difference is 2.4 vs 3.0 seconds to 60.

 

I have to agree with this. Especially the bolded part.

For whatever reason, whether it's pedigree, marketing, perception or a combination of all three, the general overall demand for a McLaren just isn't as high as it is for a Ferrari.

This isn't to say a McLaren is better or worse than a comparable Ferrari, just that the demand is not the same.

Maybe that will change in the years to come, but right now, it just isn't the same.

 

I believe this true as well for the masses or wannabes but car people know the deal.

 

One cannot entirely dismiss the precarious financial state of Mclaren in a purchasing decision. A factor that is not shared by Ferrari and Lamborghini.

 

he's had other problems with Mclarens too in the past. Didn't like the Senna because it understeers, although you won't find too many others who share that opinion.

 

I do agree with this. Their lack of a dealer network makes it harder as well. Although where I'm located there's only a Porsche dealer.

 

Very true but I believe they will make it through. 2020 has definitely been a challenge for them but it could have been more devastating. If they make some key changes they could come out of this very well.

 

Not to hijack the thread, but it would require some fairly huge directional changes.

 

While I tend to believe McLaren will survive in one form or another, it does cross my mind that in the event of a temporary financial collapse, what happens to having your car’s warranty honored or having access to parts required for repair ?