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  1. Steve355F1

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    I'm here to help.
     
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    QUOTE="Aircon, post: 147255120, member: 199"]I'm here to help.[/QUOTE]
    Are you; are you really?
     
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    Are you; are you really?[/QUOTE]Yes.... And you're so annoying
     
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    UOTE="Aircon, post: 147255143, member: 199"]Are you; are you really?[/QUOTE]Yes.... And you're so annoying[/QUOTE]

    Why?
     
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    Yes.... And you're so annoying[/QUOTE]

    Why?[/QUOTE]Exactly
     
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    It wasn't when I looked
     
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    That is so weird
     
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    George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist.

    Former US president Barack Obama tweeted on Saturday (AEST) that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal’.”

    Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal”, in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts”.

    Democrat presidential contender Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from “bad police” and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can “make it home”.

    That echoed a claim Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.

    Minnesota Governor Tim Walz denounced the “stain ... of fundamental, institutional racism” on law enforcement on Saturday. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.

    This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that US police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behaviour, not race, determine most police actions.

    Police officers fatally shot 1004 people last year, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53 per cent of known homicide offenders in the US and commit about 60 per cent of robberies, though they are 13 per cent of the population.

    The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites last year, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, New Jersey, who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1 per cent of all African-Americans killed last year. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

    On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued — a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day.

    This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

    The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of anti-black disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police”, they concluded.

    A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behaviour before and during interactions with police.


    The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilisation-destroying violence.

    If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighbourhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.

    The Minneapolis officers who arrested Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics.

    But Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.

    Heather MacDonald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of The War on Cops
     
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    I fed that through my BS filter and it went straight through

    God you and Ian come up with some dribble FFS

    I think it's time this thread was deleted for good, it's just full of biased horsesh!t and people's beliefs

    Papster, is there some way you can delete threads from specific people's view ?

    I'm over this ****

    I never had a bad experience with any cop I met in the US, they were all polite , nice people ..... but then I'm a polite person too :)
     
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    You didn't even read it did you?
     
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    the gender pay gap myth is firmly entrenched in many people's minds, as is the "rich are getting richer, poor are getting poorer" meme. To some extent you can't blame them, because the media never allows the facts to intrude on their narrative. That most of the women marching believe falsehoods is not surprising.

    In both Australia and the US, women's award salaries are the same as men and companies who employ professional staff are very careful to maintain equality. We are all competing for the best staff, regardless of race or gender. Similarly low to middle incomes have risen faster in recent decades than high incomes (though neither have risen much). Of course, most wealthy people don't make their money from wages, which is how the media misinformation starts.
     
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    Democrats want to defund the police? Are they ****ing mad?
     
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    erm, yes. Haven't you been paying attention?
     
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