Hartley vs. Hartley Jr. vs. DK?

I’ve been wondering about this too, as I get a lot of British magazines and follow historic racing and concours in the UK quite closely. The Cottinghams have been around for a long time, but is there some sort of rift between the Hartleys, or is that just marketing? The other old name....Duncan Hamilton.....what is ROFGO and what is its relationship to Hamilton?

 

This is one of the main UK based dealers in the high end Ferrari world https://talacrest.com/ and https://www.kidston.com/ is English, although based in Switzerland

 

ROFGO is Roland Goethe, he was initially a customer of Adrian Hamilton (son of Le Mans winner Duncan Hamilton and founder of the car business that bore his name).
https://howtospendit.ft.com/vehicles/110511-gulf-racing-cars
Goethe has a specific interest in Gulf liveried cars and appears to now be a major backer/partner of Adrian Hamilton (hopefully it remains a harmonoius relationship and not one that takes the Mike Tuke/Derek Hood of JD Classics turn...

JD Classics still operate under the banner of Woodham Mortimer (https://woodham-mortimer.com/) with many of the same staff (Hood excluded).

The Hartley's position has been documented by themselves on various platforms but now all seem amicable.

I guess https://girardo.com/ could be thrown in to the mix, and Max has competed in the Mille Miglia with Hartley Jnr.
Max was obvioulsy the face of RM Auctions for years.
Kidston the frontman for the Brooks/Bonhams auction house prior to going his own way.

https://www.dylan-miles.com/ Dylan Miles is also a previous employee of RM Auctions.

All of these, including DK Engineering have built up relationships over the years with all of the big players in the classic and high end performance cars as well as the major auction houses and restoration facilities.

Paul

 

Thank you, Paul.

There are a lot of good stories....and not a little intrigue (JD).....among those dealers. Max was one of the most entertaining auctioneers ever. RM has certainly not been able to adequately replace him, in my opinion, the Porsche Typ 64 debacle being a demonstration of that. One wonders how Max would have handled the situation.....certainly with more aplomb.

With respect to your How To Spend It link, I receive the FT weekend edition, but they no longer include HTSI to U.S. subscribers.

 

You may want to add Fiskens, Gregor Fisken in London, as well.
Plus Martin Chisholm of The Classic Motor Hub.
And Bob Houghton.
And Mike Wheeler of Rardley Motors (Gerard and Dudley Mason-Styrron).
Plus Joe Macari.
And William Loughran.
Plus GTO Engineering.

As for Kidston and Girardo, to the best of my knowledge, they both have a Swiss passport.
Girardo's backer is French but resident in Portugal.

Marcel Massini

 

A few more to add to the list, all in Kent.

https://www.foskers.com/

https://www.tfcgb.com/

http://www.avengineeringltd.com/

http://simonfurlonger.co.uk/

https://www.barkaways.com/

 

I wouldn't trust Foskers…!

As top the above companies, they all seem to have their area of expertise/market place.

 

Probably need to add Nick Cartwright and Bob Houghton to the list.

 

See post #6.

Marcel Massini

 

I had a very, very frustrating and disappointing experience with them some time ago.

Marcel Massini

 

Ooops,missed them in your list.

 

I certainly wouldn’t recommend Tom Hartley (snr)

After complaining about the issues I had on my supposed immaculate FF less than 6 weeks after buying it, I got my many, many phone calls and emails ignored. When I did finally get the attention of one of the directors there I got this message....

also he then carried on to threaten to send people round to my house, and also broke GDPR rules to get my address... avoid at all costs!
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Funnily enough George I was going to point this thread in the direction of your posts on PH in regard to this operation.
Your experiences have certainly ensured I'll look elsewhere.

 

shockingly unprofessional from him

isn't he on a suspended jail sentence as it is because of fleeing the scene of an accident ?

 

I've only met Tom Hartley once, briefly, and never done business with him. But at least he has worked to build up his business. Carl, I have never met, but has had it all handed to him and everything I hear from or of him he sounds like an absolute *******!!!

 

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/supercar-businessman-carl-hartley-ferrari-3748323

 

Tim Walker of Walkersport has a solid reputation in the UK as well.

 

I bought my car from one of his customers, and this person was not happy with the TH organization.


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My cousin bought a 1 year old Bentley for TH Junior, never again!!

 

he certainly has a mixed reputation but has very good contacts