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  1. AN-M

    AN-M Formula Junior

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    I'm not concerned about originality, but Birdmans fuse block is pretty nasty looking and isn't much of an upgrade if you fix the OEM.
     
  2. Argento839

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    Good thing there's a pretty vinyl cover obscuring that area :)
     
  3. Kidasters

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    I've talked to Sam. He plans on doing another run - but timing isn't set. He says he'll post both here and in the boxer forum when he does.
     
  4. Fave

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    embarrassed for me? Lol really why? Ridiculous. You must have better things to be upset about. I owe ZERO apology, period!!! I never said anything bad about the man, I'm sure he is a nice guy, his intentions are good, but his product is crap.




    But they aren't quality, I mean come on they practically fall apart in your hands if your not careful.
     
  5. Fave

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    #55 Fave, Mar 10, 2015
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    Ok so you need to try and be ****** playing on Flava Fave to make me look the fool..... original.

    But anyway, you if finding the cheapest solution to your Ferrari woes is the way to go then high five!!! Go forth and rejoice! You have beaten all of us at this crazy thing called love.
     
  6. Fave

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    Martin, problem is everyone wants to be patted on the back and told they did a good job. They are substandard, the OEM were the best for the era they were produced, but the best that could be made today. Birdman's boxes are neither. They are a cheap solution to a problem that already has a solution. You want to drive a Ferrari, spend the money properly. You want cheap? Buy a Trans AM.
     
  7. VIZSLA

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    That hasn't been my experience.
    Anyone else find them fragile?
     
  8. Quetzel

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    Did the Birdman fix. Nice unit. Like OEM? Keep the OEM block if you want to switch back some day. Glass fuses far nicer to work with than the old ones. And...Birdman was a gracious person. Helped me out when I had a minor installation glitch. Great guy to work with. Very responsive........took time out of his busy schedule - and I appreciated that. You have to throw a bone to the guys that work so hard to sustain/improve our cars. Birdman is one of them.
     
  9. Fave

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    You missed the point to the thread. Wooosh!
     
  10. Fave

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    if Sam made modern boxes like he did for the other cars, then maybe we would be talking a different story here.. can't compare Sam's to birdmans.
     
  11. Fave

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    Again, not the point! Would you replace the engine with a Chevy? The boot lid covers the engine.
     
  12. Fave

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    Oh come on, only the top half is held together with solder, the bottom has nothing. If you don't hold them gently they can twist. The fuse parts can easily come apart and the terminals are weak and fragile.
     
  13. Nuvolari

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    The problems and limitations of the OEM fuse blocks are very well explained here. Myron is too modest to mention that he is a first rate electronics engineer that works in the Automotive OEM industry. In addition he has owned Italian cars all of his life so if his opinion is not an informed one then no-ones is.

    I'd be interested to know the specific qualifications of some of our more 'passionate' posters to better evaluate their views as it is always good to know where an opinion comes from before lending it weight.
     
  14. Fave

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    +1, he was a great guy to deal with no doubt. His person isn't in question here. What is is people trying to fix a problem using the cheapest alternative and getting all bent cause I'm not slapping him on the back and saying 'man aren't you a swell guy'.
    People need perspective here!
     
  15. VIZSLA

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    Again, I didn't find them fragile.
    Still waiting on a second opinion.
     
  16. NoGoSlow

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    The old adage "Never try and teach a pig to sing... it wastes your time and annoys the pig" comes to mind. We're all lined up on opposite sides of the trough, and nobody is interested in learning a different tune.
     
  17. sfrazier

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    Well that went off course quickly... How much is my car worth again? ;)


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  18. Glassman

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    I'm leaving before I get another ban.
    Birdman has helped DIY Ferrari owners immensely.
    I'm not really sure what the Fave input is worth.
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    When did you change the belts?
     
  20. Fave

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    Absolutely nothing
     
  21. Argento839

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    Birdman's boxes aren't a Chevy.. I don't think I've ever heard anyone who has actually used them complain about them. It immediately eliminated several wiring gremlins and still working great after 10 years.

    A lot of window problems are because of the grease in the window frames gumming up.. once cleaned up, the windows work great without any further electrical modification whatsoever.
     
  22. Sean308

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    Recently did my windows, basically took the door panel off and sprayed some silicon spray, and white spray on the window runners as well as some wd40 here and there. Got it working pretty good from not working at all.
     
  23. smg2

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    On the window subject, i suggest one takes a moment to test and record the amperage draw at the window motor in both up and down cycles. You'll need a good battery or a decent power source capable of atleast 20amps at 13vdc. You'd be surprised at how much the draw is. The factory has the power and ground leads switching polarity at the switch, that means the window current is flowing from the battery to the switch and back to the motor. Why they did this I have no idea, the voltage drop and amp demand is excessive for the wiregauge being used. A simple fix is to rewire the motors to relays and have the switch control the relay with low current and the motors get direct feed from the battery and it can be pulled from a key on switch as well.

    Ferrari factory wiring leaves a lot to be desired honestly. Ferrari did not spend nor use the best available, budget constraints and low volume really hurt outsourced component availability. The engines are masterfull the rest is.... ok.
     
  24. 308 milano

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    #74 308 milano, Mar 11, 2015
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    HAY, how was I to know that you were not the real Flava Flav? Same name, same goofy comments.. It would be the same if your screen name was George Jetson and you were continually talking about Space, all of us here would just assume that you were the real George Jetson! Honest mistake, sorry.

    What I find humorous is that if you had never heard of BM fuse blocks and we put a pair in a Little yellow box, charged you $700 for them, you would think they were the greatest thing on the planet.
    Do you realize hose clamps were never intended for our cars? That was contrived buy some nose picker who was too cheap to buy A torque wrench to reinstall factory spec. zip ties in those locations. Turns out after years of testing the hose clamps are simply a better product. Go figure.
     
  25. AN-M

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    I must ask. Do you get a part of the profit? :) Why so eager to defend this product? It is what it is, an assembly of "off the shelf" holders boltet together without respect of the original aesthetics. Nothing clever about it. Does it work? Of course it works, it's a fuse block, not a prosthetic heart .
     

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