Carbon

First off, I applaud you for your post. As I asked a week ago and never received a straight answer (Like I expected one), as what constitutes an 'Attack'. My opinion is that it varies from Mod to Mod from Mood to Mood. You are spot-on in stating that nobody got banned for the attacks on Carbon, but when Dave M decided that I was 'attacking' BRUCE (And visa-versa), we both got banned (By Dave M) and he threw Darth in the ban for the hell of it (IMO)! I did not see a post from any other Mod with their opinion on the ban, so that leads me to believe it's open season at FC to ban people at their own discretion and (IMO), double standards have existed since the day Allan Lambo was given a Perma-Ban.

I agree on your comment of 'selective enforcement', and yes, Darth is right and I have never seen (Please correct me if I am wrong) Rob reverse a ban after one has been made by one of his Mod's.

Bottom line, the Mod's will continue to do what hey wish, as they have been tasked to do so. Some of the Mod's are easy going and will let most things slide while there are others that use their 'Power' to the limit, kinda like the small town sheriff who is the sheriff, the mayor and Justice of the Peace! If anyone does not like the way things are ran at FC, they need to find another board to post on, as I believe things will never change and personal discretion on behalf of the Mod's will always rule the roost.

 

The attack on Carbon was wrong. If someone has issues with someone they should not make it a public event. What is worse was some very established members were bashing on Carbon. Truthfully, I think that’s worse.

 

Art,

Nothing was done to Carbon that was out of line.

Can't help if people are calling him a drunk and I can't comment on it besides have been called by a drunken Carbon once or twice.

He borrowed money(interest free) from a fellow member to buy a car with and then borrowed more money to fix the car that he wore down and then in the end stop paying back that loan.

He borrowed a f-car and cracked it up. Borrowed other users f-cars without their permission.

He worked for a company who don't quote me but I beleive they have a copyrighted db that somehow through outing by his former employer he got a copy of the said db.


All the facts came out and some members didn't like that the golden boy has a very tarnished side that is being brought up by other users. Carbon still runs through here with a Consultant title and if Rob wants him with that status it is up to Rob to have him assciated with the board in that manner.


Nothing was said was untrue sorry if you don't like it. Not sure what your aim here bringing this back up maybe some coaxing by Pete or Darth I would imagine.

 

I do like posting here, so I'll keep my mouth shut on this one, as I would be guaranteed a wrongful permaban for speaking my mind!

 

This, coming from the one who hasn't had an original thought yet, is comical at best. There is no reason whatsoever for you to say that, based on our infrequent, specific interactions here.

Cut the crap and just say NO!

 

Art,

With Carbon, I think he did get dogpiled a but but from what I know, he probably deserved it. It does sound like he was irresponsible and screwed over some members, so its hard to feel bad for him on this one. There is often bickering here with users making personal attacks on other members - if it exceeds a certain threshold, the moderators should step in. But when they step in, whether they step in, how quickly (or not) they step in - is not something that can be set in stone or have a metric applied, it's all a judgement call.

Its not a government run site - its private and subject to Rob's law. If Rob chooses to have moderators that some members feel are not doing a good job, then there is nothing those members can do. Ultimately if Rob runs an unfair site, people can leave to go elsewhere. I don't see the point of constantly calling the members out on perceived unfair moderator treatment. I personally don't see any unfair treatment, although I do see a few folks who are constantly pushing their buttons and running to hide behind the written rules saying "technically I didnt break the rule, you cant ban me!" or "technicall that guy broke the rules, you must ban him!".

It like of you catch your kids playing basketball in the house and they knock over and smash a vase. You tell them "no playing b-ball in the house!". Then an hour later they are kicking the b-ball around and when you yell at them, they respond "we were playing soccer USING a basketball, not playing basketball". They are trying to be smartasses but nobody is fooled. Same here - some users try to be smartasses but nobody is fooled. I'm not talking about Darth but Peter definitely does it and others too.

There are times when actions are taken I feel are unfair. I don't think that Russian_M3 guy should have been banned for making a comment about some pakistani nuts fornicating with goats... it was a joke but one moderator took offense and banned him. Such if life... does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?

There is no right to fair treatment, there should be no whining about it and pointing to the rules trying to establish where fair treatment wasn't given. And there should be no users purposely toeing the line to solicit bans/sanctions just so they can come back and complain that they were treated unfairly. That is no different than the aforementioned kid with the basketball, IMO.

Every users decision is simple - if they do not accept the treatment, they can let Rob know. If it does not change, they can choose to either live with it or move on to greener pastures. Anything else is IMO pointless and silly.

 

Link to thread?

He's come a long way since DES Sickspeed, for sure....the melt down against pinetreeneedles was classic stuff, all gone now I believe.....

Sorry to hear of the damaged cars....most policies don't cover Track Use so that's most likely the gap in coverage....using Ferraris with out permission??????

OTOH, I have no idea WTF ya'll are even talking about so someone post a bunny with pancakes on it's head......

 

Is that a joke?

 

Another possibility is that they had high deductibles, e.g. $1K, $2K or even $5K.

 

You got it! (I think the other thread referred to was deleted)

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Thanks...I'll take another nap, before quitting time.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

Who sues someone over name calling on the internet?
Some people need to get some social skills....

 

Didn't, but it's ok by me Art.

Send 'em on over.

Dave

 

I hope it is...but Rob refrenced it in another thread so I guess not. People take the internet waaayyyy too seriously..

 

A drunk-call from years ago at which you laughed and conversed in a jovial manner. I wasn't the only one on the phone and there were times before and after said call where you even encouraged such behavior. Now that we're no longer friends, you're playing this information from a different angle, to further your puppet's agenda. Whatever.

There is no question in my mind that, at one time, I felt like I was on the verge of alcoholism. I have since brought it under control. I still drink on occasion, but nearly as much as I used to. And when I do drink, I don't consume excessively as I used to. Not that any of that is any of your business, but it's out there now, for the sake of being thorough.

I never borrowed any money from anyone. Ever. You have your facts so twisted, it's comical. Go back to your puppet and see if you can't get them twisted a little more.

I never borrowed a Ferrari. Again, your facts are twisted. Steve was kind enough to give me the car for the weekend, at the behest of one of his long-time clients. I ****ed up and no amount of money in the world will rectify my damage. Steve will never, ever trust me, ever again. Ever. One day, I'll have the money to pay Steve back for the physical damage I've caused. But the other damage is irreparable.

Gerald's database wasn't copyrighted and I wasn't outed from the company. I resigned, much to their chagrin. And I don't have a copy of Gerald's database. Again, your facts are thoroughly skewed.

I "run through here" with a Consultant title that I earned. The situations in which I continue to earn that title in FerrariChat's various subforums are only a fraction of how I use it via private messages. You would know that if you ever asked a useful or insightful Ferrari-related question here, instead of spending all of your time fighting with other members.

Everything you've said was untrue. In fact, it wasn't just untrue, it was a gross and deliberate misinterpretation of facts to which you've obviously never been privy. It's time to cut the strings and stop being someone else's puppet.


I'd also like to mention - to Rob and anyone else who thinks they know the facts and wants to throw in their two cents - that I have no spoken to Art since he called me regarding an Enzo question over a month ago. I have every intention of calling Art; whether or not a lawsuit manifests remains to be seen. But if one does, it won't be for name-calling, that's for sure.

Art, I appreciate this eye-opening thread. Rob knows very well that no one was banned from the other thread. I used to love this forum and now I come back only on occasion, to check my PMs, futilely search for interesting, untainted threads, and participate in private discussions.

 

Carbon, I don't know anything about the other issues. But why do you think a database of a company you worked for needs to be copyrighted? That is not my understanding. So, tread very carefully...... It is their property not to be used outside of their business even if it's just in your head or on paper and not on a disk.

 

I only mention copyright because it was previously mentioned in this thread, and in another one. But you're absolutely right, and I appreciate you pointing out the importance of that fact. It is for that reason that I have ceased offering help irrespective of the origin of the information.

 

Copyrights are now automatic, IANAL, but you create it and the copyright is yours. Others more knowledgeable in this area...ask them; I'd not want to get into a pissing match trying to determine, say, who owns and maintains the Trabant Registry and what a former employee may or may not have done with that info post employment. With an absence of information beyond what can be read in some threads, a former employee may or may not have used such information once, and has since stopped using that information.

Internets melodrama can be great fun. No, they can be huge fun. Take a peek at Mr. Quixotic, for example, a person that is the source of an infinite amount of ridicule because he is off his rockers and has no hopes of having a sane thought for the rest of his life. Why Oh... (Why OH)...why poke fun at him? Because he keeps coming back for more, that's why. There's a lot of Tinfoil Hattery and Governmental Conspiracy in his tone and approach, not to mention loads of racism and general dispickery, but where is that with Carbon vs his detractors?

There isn't that, here.

There's lots of pointing fingers, allegations of such...tons of internets melodrama for sure, but the crux here and now is that internets drama may or may not spill out into real life wherein drama costs real dollars and can adversely effect real people in possibly not pleasant ways.

I'm a bystander in this, but I can see how these things can get ugly and stay ugly for a very long time.

Perhaps bury some hatchets and move on.