Hi there, Im looking into getting a 612. I've been looking at a 05' with F1. New clutch. Belt need replacing soon. 60000 miles. Usual issues?
That's a healthy mileage so I wouldn't mind betting that it will have fewer issues than those that have rarely ventured out of the garage. Tie rods and alignment need to be checked as will the clutch wear. I'm assuming your aware of the usual buying caveats and the price is appropriate so full service, new tyres and off you go! How many other 6L V12 options are there for the money?
Sure, as I write, it has a brand new clutch. No issue. Belts must be done. Just wondered if there was anything in particular to look out for on the 612.... I'm not new to Ferrari, I already have a 360 Modena (manual) and a F430 F1 spider. Just want a 4 seat so I can bring my wife and 3y.o. daughter for a trip. The FF is out of my budget yet.
I would check the following from most to least important _Check for Accidents, this is a must, it is very hard to reposition panels on the car, lots of man hours, and it is often badly done and visible in irregular panel gaps, I have seen plenty of those, but do not forget that the 612 will not be perfect, this is not German engineering and a fully man made car _Engine oil Leaks, leave this to a specialist, that's probably the most costly to repair if it happens, not to confuse with oil filter and piping leakage (had those) _F1 actuator sensor, this was a recall on early cars, if not that's a costly fix if I remember _Belts, there should not be older than 5 years, see you tube videos on that, it is game over if it jumps one notch... _No Engine light, cars must be driven throughout the range in all conditions for the light to sometime appear, so take your time in trying it as garages can reset the light before you come and try the car. _Fuel pump covers, they crack and the trunk smells of gazoline _Suspension wishbone bushing and joints, lift the car, take each wheel at 12 6 o'clock or 3 9 o'clock and shake with force, there should not be any play, car show play as early as 10 000 miles.... this is part of wear and tear, doing suspension arms all round with HE upgraded parts is around 3 K ( parts only) _Carbon disks if you have them, check for surface appearance, disks must be shiny, if you notice a lot of fibers like material missing, the discs are likely to be changed and this is a 20 K work if you have to do it, your Ferrari dealer should give you an indication of wear _Dashboad leather retracted, check the dashboard near the light sensor, if you see it disformed this is a very expensive repaire due to the man hours required _Sticky plastics, unfortunately all cars have it unless you have carbon trims, depending on how bad that is you will have to budget it _sagging roof liner, affect all car except OTO that have glass roof, if the liner looks flat, it sags, a normal liner should be slightly convexe _scratches on leather, the 612 has fantastic leather but you scratch it with a nail, this is can be easily fixed so I would not worry for those _Check if you have the original tool case, check for missing tools _Check for battery tender plug, you should see it when you open the little door on the battery trim, if there is none, don't worry car is prewired, and this is a 100$ cable, tender you must look for one on ebay, they trade for 500$ _Check for car cover, original are extremely difficult to find, I bought 5 on ebay of people claiming it was a new original 612 cover, sent all of them back, none new, none were for 612's and none were Ferrari original covers... 3 options worth having I have seen tried different 612 and 2 things are a must 1)Sport Exhaust, the 612 has a beautiful engine tone, unfortunately early cars were not offered the sport exhaust option and the dampening is a little too strong, I fitted a pair of tubi on mine and I am every day happy with it, sport exhaust range from 3 to 6 K, so worth checking if it has one 2)Challenge wheels, the driving improved and the car gets a more modern look with it, the 19/18 combo reminds me of the 456 style.... 3) Carbon brakes, I have tried with and without and it is so much better with... the metal brakes are very progressive and need to be warmed up, where as the carbon brakes bite very hard from start, steering feeling is also improved... Engine and Gearbox are bulletproof so 612 owners can sleep well at night After 2 years of ownership I am satisfied but do not take it out as much as I would like ( 2K miles ... :-( If I would have to do it again, I would have saved some extra and shot for the OTO, the difference between early OTO and std 612 is shrinking, while the std 612 fall in the "affordable "sport car range and is a more liquid investment, the OTO is in the luxury sport car range and likely a good collector car, OTO have a hard time to sell in Europe they go around 90 to 95K at the moment, where as std 612 are in the 70 K range
Engine and Gearbox are bulletproof so 612 owners can sleep well at night After 2 years of ownership I am satisfied but do not take it out as much as I would like ( 2K miles ... :-( If I would have to do it again, I would have saved some extra and shot for the OTO, the difference between early OTO and std 612 is shrinking, while the std 612 fall in the "affordable "sport car range and is a more liquid investment, the OTO is in the luxury sport car range and likely a good collector car, OTO have a hard time to sell in Europe they go around 90 to 95K at the moment, where as std 612 are in the 70 K range[/QUOTE] Good post swiss612. I generally agree with all said even though I have had nearly the breath of ownership experience as yourself (only 2 years for me). However I have noticed when I have been to the Ferrari dealership on two of the occasions when early 05/06 612 cars are being serviced both cars had transmission work being done on their early F1 trans. Not sure if that is a coincidence or not but I know one of the owners of the cars and he had about 28k miles on the clock and he did drive the car in automatic mode and in heavy traffic. I had a conservation with him regarding his use of the car about 30 days before I saw the car being serviced. Then last week when getting my annual regular service another early 612 was also having transmission repairs according to the service manager. So something to think about for the earlier F1 cars? Also the prices on 612s in the US seem to be higher than in Europe and perhaps lower miles, not many OTO cars are available. If a total of 20 cars in the US are on the market perhaps only 1 or two will be OTO cars. Usually asking price for OTO cars is $120k – 150k range assuming under 20k miles. That has been my experience and I have kind of kept up with the US market as I have an automatic search come up every time a new 612 comes to market. I started my search before buying for an early 612 and then after extensive research and kicking a bunch of tires I changed to only looking for a OTO car. The prices of MT 612’s seemed way out of reason to me and the OTOs just seemed more of what appealed to me. The only down side was I was going to use the 612 as a DD when it was an early edition and now that I got a OTO it is just too nice to be a DD and be subject to the hazards of traffic and parking lots. So I am now acquiring a Panamera Turbo S for that mission.
Hi Randkin, I could imagine the cars you have seen at the dealer needed a sensor change or a clutch disc. It seems that some people have not gone for the sensor recall in the early years and are driving until failure (of the sensor) We are not hearing horror stories on the 612 on the forum, at least I have not read any I was daily driving my 612 for a while, It was nice but I figured out that you start noticing all details that need fixing (sagging roof, sticky plastics...), and I am a perfectionist, so it started to cost. I keep it for the weekend now, and I enjoy even more and just it like it is. We have always 20 612 for sales in Switzerland and probably 1/3 to half of them are OTO, imagine how small our country is... But cars are sitting. some of them for few years unless they are sold at the levels I mentioned above, we even have a manual for 180K and its sitting for a while now. The 612 is great value for money but remains a second hand Ferrari and many get scared of that, which may explain the slow market over here, many chose a brand new 911 for that price
Thanks for your feedback. So, all in all, not much to worry about for the 612. Good to hear. I always like cars which have been used. My 360 Modena has 60000km. I use it daily. No issues. My F430 spider F1 with 9000km is another story. Always something. Lack of use. We will see if a 612 will join them
I am also falling for the 612. My 360 Spider is looking a bit lonely in the garage and could do with some company. Planning to check this one out later this week: https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/ferrari-612-coupe-2007-occasion?index=1&make=25&model=651&sort=price_asc&st=1&vehid=4795990&vehtyp=10&returnurl=%2fde%2fautos%2fferrari--612%3fmake%3d25%26model%3d651%26sort%3dprice_asc%26st%3d1%26vehtyp%3d10%26r%3d5 2007 model (probably actually a 2006) with only Km 20K on it, so needs a bit of driving to get it back in shape. Price is around USD 90K, but Ferrari only made 3025 of these cars, so I am pretty sure I can convince my wife (and myself) that this is a good investment
I have 2008 612 - other then shrinking leather I have never has a problem in 15,000 miles Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks, sounds great. Is it at the dash you have the shrinking leather issue. Ohhh, love your Scud. I have a 360 and a F430 as well.....
I‘m a bit late in this thread but will chime in anyway. I was dead set on buying an OTO here in Switzerland and test drove about 6 or 7 cars. However I ended up buying a 2006 HGTC with 24K kms because it was the best car I found based on condition, driving experience and history. Swiss612 knows the car well and has driven it several times. I‘ve had it almost a year now and have put 6000 kms on it. Many of the kms have been with the Swiss Ferrari Driver’s Club on alpine roads chasing smaller, lighter Ferraris! So its had a pretty good year with a fair degree of enthusiastic but respectful use. I recently had an annual service and it passed through with no issues or comments. This was a big relief for me as this is my first Ferrari (after many 911s) so I was a bit nervous. At one point I thought I had problem with the diff getting snatchy on low speed turns but a new set of tyres cured this. So far i‘ve had no problems with leather shrinkage, sticky switches, CELs or clonky suspension arms. My biggest problem is trying NOT to drive it! I want to keep the kms within reasonable limits as it really affects value over a certain point. But its hard as the car definitely likes to be driven regularly and feels better for it. If I was buying again I would actually take a higher mileage car (late HGTC or OTO) assuming it has a great service history and drove well. Firstly I would get a bargain and secondly I would drive it more without worrying about the mileage. I think its crazy that these cars are so mileage sensitive on resale. During my test drive experiences mileage seemed to have no correlation with how well the car drove. The worst car I drove was a one owner car with the least mileage and the highest asking price! I researched carefully before choosing the 612 and I‘m happy with my decision. I love it! Jeremy Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
Beautiful car. Love the interior on your car. I wanted that one. Ended up with an '06 Silverstone/Nero from FL. Same wheels, Tubi muflers, Novitec lights & upgraded 2-din stereo (NAV map, bluetooth, Sirius,)
The 612 is a half second faster around Fiorano than a 360. It's no slouch, being within a second of the F40! https://www.topgear.com/car-news/what-are-the-fastest-ferraris-to-lap-fiorano-circuit#11
And that was for an early car without ceramics, handling kit or faster shifting gearbox! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
