Zymol Ital detailing wax. Zymol...WHAT DID YOU DO?!?!? Ferrari Lovers PLEASE READ

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Post #8 clears the air very nicely.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182748

 

Hello, Meguires.

bob wassam

 

I wrote that post #8.

A couple of things to consider in the marketing of such products... Swissvax and Zymol come to mind as two compaines that make an "Italian Glaze" or "Italian Paint Wax" which is perfect for Ferrari's, Maserati's, Lambo's, Fiat's, etc....

The problem is none of the these cars use "Italian Paint". Ferrari uses PPG and a version of their cermamic clearcoat (which is also used and was orginally developed for Mercedes Benz), Lambo uses an Audi paint system, which is very hard, and of better quality, not at all like traditional "soft" Italian paint. Infact, the only car I have worked on that has the traditional "soft Italian paint" is Maserati, and only on the black QP's. The problem is not that Maserati's do have traditional Italian paint (they don't, they feature a modern base coat/clear coat system) but they do "feel" like it when working on it.

So there is no such thing as "Italian Paint" as all new cars, to my knowledge, use base coat/clear coat systems produced by the major paint manufacturers. Now I could understand blending the oils to enchance the natural color reflection charactersitics of red paint and calling that an Italian type of wax as waxes can be fine tuned to look best on certain colors.

All this aside, if you truely love the product and feel great about using it, then you need to justify whether that feeling you get is worth the price of admission. I think there are plently of great waxes that look stunning (and IMO look better then Zymol Ital) on red. I would recommend Pinnacle Souveran on red, or the new P21s%.

Here are two pictures of cars I have worked on that featured the different. First is Pinnacle Souveran and second is P21s's new 100%. I would put these waxes against Zymol Ital any day.
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Did someone actually put a tail on that 360?

 

Looks like a Novitec tail from where I sit...could be wrong. Not that uncommon.

Mr. Helme, your quoted post number eight was an excellent read. I remember seeing a link to a thread on a Ferrari 328 that had a concours style detail done on it by you and was amazed.

If I ever own a Ferrari I hope to have the pleasure of employing you. Stunning work.

 

what about deep finish products? I thought they used to be a sponsor, maybe not, but I like their wax.

 

screw zymol. i would rather use Meguires.

 

SWAX is actually a synthetic sealant based on resin polymer's. It looks amazing though, and IMO, looks as good as most high end carnauba waxes while lasting twice as long. Scott Kennedy, the formulator and creator of Deep Finish, is the guy who used to post here. Unfortunately, he was kicked out of the company he created do to differences with his backers. I know he working on some new formulations which he promises will blow SWAX out of the water.

 

Just a reminder from the OP

I don't think Zymol is worth the higher price anymore. I used to use it too back when it was cheaper. Interesting that the concentrations seems to be the same. Maybe we should all send an email to Zymol asking them what's up.

 

Hahahaha!!! What a joke, $400 for some wax, i don't think so. Go with a different brand. It's just wax people. In my opinion these guys are just being greedy. Carnuba wax is Carnuba wax. What really matters is the skill of the person doing the buffing.

 

You've got to be pretty serious to spend more than $50 or so for a jar of wax. Either variety of P21s does really well; IMHO, above this level, you pay a LOT for only incremental improvements or specialization.

 

Good post by Tropicaldetail. I can't believe people still believe all the BS about paint differences. Japanese vs. German vs. USA, etc. Zymol's marketing hooey has made CEO Chuck Bennet a millioniare because of it.

 

I often get pre-production samples from Zymol. I think you will all be surprised to find that there will soon be a 100% Carnuba product available. No, It will not cost a fortune. Yes - they are abusing the "Italian Paint" thing (and us)

Personally - I swear by the P21S product line. I can't tell the difference between it - and Zymol, and for $25 bucks it can't be beat. Even the containers are identical....

 

I don't think its a matter of being greedy... Pricing can be a marketing strategy as well. The people who make the most money in the business are companies like Meguiar's, who probaby sell more product and make more money in a couple AutoZone's then Zymol makes worldwide. However, there is a market for high end, exclusive wax, so it is a void being filled. If they where being greedy, it would make more sense to make substandard products and sell them at cheap prices (such as Meguiars, who has to meet price points for all of their products) and have the highest possible profit margin.

Of course, Zymol did try that with their commerical Cleaner/Wax which is made by Turtle Wax. Only don't tell Bill Tracy that, he loves the smell.

 

Wax has two functions: 1. Appearance, and 2. Protection. I use aviation wax, much better at the protection, and almost as good on appearance.

Art

 

You think the 4-500 is bad? Look on Zymol's website for laughs. They have wax for 25 Grand!!!! It's hilarious! CAR WAX!
xraygun

 

You mean $30K!!

http://zymol.com/shop/item.asp?PID=1516&scID=25

 

Remember what P.T. Barnum said...there is a sucker born every minute. And it is so true! The carnuba craze is so much BS. No matter how much you pay for it, it does not last or protect. The polymer sealants are so far superior, cheaper and easier to use. I Have been using Rejex for years and I have not found anything to compare.

 

It is nothing but wax, and you really have to be an idiot to pay $400 for a can of wax. That is what these guys are making there bet on. That just because it goes on an expensive car people think the WAX should be expensive also. It's nothing but plain old CARNUBA WAX! And yes they are being greedy. But hey, there's always some sucker willing to pay for it.

 

"Solar activated", does that mean it melts in the sun?

BT

 

That's a SWEET 328

 

its a scam, they put some wax in a special container and say its or Ferrari's hoping that someone will buy it for the $300.00 or $400.00 price.. I bet its the same stuff in another container of their cheaper wax.. just different container...

 

Yeah, I like it...