Wrinkle finish paints.

I've actually been told (cannot confirm or deny) that Riloplast was not the supplier for the 355 and up. Regardless, it looks like a great product.

That said, try getting it from them shipped to the US - it's a nightmare. They wanted $625.00 to ship me a quart - that's only the shipping cost, not the material cost.

And, their customer service is beyond terrible.

You may have much better luck, Nick, being in the UK.

A few months back, I sourced some other material out of Europe (still expensive) but have not had the change to try it yet.

 

I agree. I went down this road with them twice - started a couple years back. I was trying to discuss with them about having a US distributor. The folks I was emailing with were down right rude. If you are interested, ask them how much to ship to the UK and let me know - that would be a good data point. I forgot to add that they wanted another $125.00 for a wood box to ship in. Total bunch of baloney.

 

I just looked up my emails - all prices in Euros:

1 Kg of material - 300 Euros
1 shipping box - 110 Euros
Shipping - 600-700 Euros

Priceless

 

Yep, researched and found out about their paints during my 348 engine out service. The red wrinkle was quote in at $100/spray can, and that was if you could get it into the states. Plenty of other Ferrari shops have tried to obtain or distribute their stuff with little/no luck. Believe that Rifledriver detailed some of the reasons for why it was an issue, if you care to do some digging... perhaps EPA-related, etc.

For the red and silver, use a VHT wrinkle (red or black), and top-coat with a color match for the oe red or silver. VHT black does a great job, and the factory wrinkle texture can be readily replicated by playing with application temp and coats.

 

With regard to Brian's comments, with due respect to him, it can absolutely come thru customs - I've done it with other "hazardous" materials. You need to obtain the MSDS and review the components to the allowable substances.

VHT is a good product but as you mention, for anthing other than black, the colors are not correct. I also believe the wrinkle effect can be better and I prefer the idea of spray from a gun and not a can - many limitations to can spraying.

Now, my point of view is from a professional service providing as close to original as possible. For a DIY guy, VHT is a great solution at a very affordable price.

 

Right. I'm not questioning him or you in that regard, and was speculating on perhaps what the rationale may have been. I have no idea on what the specific contents of the paint is versus allowable substances. In any case, it would be a great option to have, to get the actual original-supplier paint onto the parts, but ultimately not a big issue since I can get the same finished oe-appearing results with a little post-wrinkle color matching, which is ultimately what matters to most detail-minded folks that deal in a small set of parts on one or two cars. Of course, there are aspects to a commercial scale and capabilities that changes things.

 

There are potential issues applying another coating over VHT. Compatibility is one, adhesion is a second, and temperature ratings a third. It's just better to use the proper product. If I was to us VHT, I would just live with the color different - to me that is better than the risk of the issues I just stated.

 

I'd wager that risk is low, but in either case, largely speculative. As mentioned, commercial considerations and capabilities are different.

 

Well, being in the industry providing finishing, I'd wager the risk is high

Lat think I want to do is remove a cam cover installed to refinish it

 

I use VHT black and red, and live with the off-color. After a while in the hot engine bay, it looks right anyway.

 

Braden uses the vht red according to their many major threads. I guess that what I will be using

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I've done my 95 plug covers in VHT. If I remember, I will shoot a photo of them next to my buddies 458 OEM plenums

 

Again, commercial considerations (and capabilities) are different, and risk purely speculative unless the specific paint manufacturers and technologies are identified. A latent failure over a long period of time? Well, good thing these cars have the service intervals that they do.

I feel like we're going in circles, and this is not an attack on a justification or positioning of a potential commercial venture, but from the standpoint of a DIYer that does it in their home shop with materials reasonably available and desire for quality work with attention to detail.

 

You are correct that some of my comments are speculation as I have not applied anything over VHT. But, we use many different materials here, have played with plenty more and I can tell you from experience that if the chemistry does not align, it's game over.

As Mitch alluded to, it's probably a moot point to worry about color given the potential change after heat and the location of the covers. So, for a DIY guy that is not OCD like a few of us here, why top coat the VHT? It's really pointless and regardless of color, filling in the wrinkle with additional coating would alter that effect too.

So, my opinion is use VHT and be done, or find another material (which we have, but have not tested yet).....or spend a billion dollars to get what the OP (Nick) posted

 

The only down and dirty way to get this stuff in the USA is go on european vacation and ship a gallon home yourself with your dirty laundry.

I have my own fedex shipper number. When the USA Ferrari sources were gouging I would use an online translator to order parts from Italy. I would tell them just to put the order in a box and the fedex guy would come pick it up so all they had to do what put the stuff in a box. I would be billed directly from fedex. The stuff would come to me in just a couple days and never get delayed in customs. Seems like the stuff looked like I was shipping stuff home and no body bothered it. Once I ordered parts on Wednesday and got my parts from Italy on Thanksgiving Thursday!

 

Just a quick question. I have purchased the VHT brand wrinkle paint in black and red. Do they make a silver version ?

 

I had a local body shop paint the 308's plenum with VHT red & then followed by shooting it with Ferrari red. Though eventually the paint does flake away from the metal plenum, it doesn't separate by hue.

 

You would be in big trouble shipping hazardous materials that way. There is a proper method to ship it, follow the rules and it's no big deal.

 

There is this: https://www.maseratinet.com/pc-20242-829-red-wrinkle-finish-paint.aspx

 

Well, this thread got me off my butt to try the material I brought in....

I brought in 2 different reds and I just did a spray out of each - they are baking now. Probably won't post photos until tomorrow...

I also brought in black and silver. I'll try to spray them out later this week.

John - I've been down the road with the Maserati material too. They private label it so I could not get any good information on it.

 

Yes, but for $60/quart worth a shot. No? Compared to 1000 Euros for the stuff from It.