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  1. P400

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    #1 P400, May 12, 2011
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    I am working with MIE wrinkle black today and dont seem to be getting any wrinkle results.
    sprayed the water tube and couple small pieces, no wrinkle yet, i will wait.
    I am using a SATA Minijet gun conventional spray at 60psi, have other used this gun?
    Maybe my fluid needle is not adjusted to allow heavy enough spray?

    should i tape off the Lamborghini logo on the cam covers or just plan on sanding it off?
    taping is quite tedious
    Picture is finish product of the era , probably 1968
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  2. Glassman

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    The secret to nice wrinkle is hot hot hot part and thick thick thick paint.
     
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  7. Mitch Alsup

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    I agree with this statement. I redid the crinkled red on my valve covers. The paint went on thick and did nothing until I took the parts out of an A/C controlled room and into Texas summertime heat and sunlight. It took only a few seconds in the "better" environment before they started to krincle up.
     
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    I sprayed mine heavy then used a heat gun.



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  9. P400

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    My first experience with MIE wrinkle black, yesterday -
    1997 SATA Minijet with 0,8 nozzle set and 0,125 liter gravity cup, 60 psi at gun.
    Wrinkle pattern developed fully at 6 to 12 hours at 70 deg and 40% humidity.
    i shot at 4 pm, 9 pm things looked like they would wrinkle, following morning 8 am wrinkles look great.

    So, more like 12 hours for wrinkles.

    Not like my parallel spray can work , yesterday, from Krylon wrinkle finish - spray at 5 pm, full wrinkle by 8pm same conditions.
    The Krylon spray can produced heavier spray coat.

    just reporting what happened.
    different wrinkle pattern from each material. coarser with Krylon

    I will be adjusting fluid on Sata for heavier coating, or changing nozzle set (which i dont have at this time).
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  10. P400

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    MIE can label -
    Textured Wrinkle Finish
    Directions
    Be sure surface to be coated is clean, dry, and free of grease and oil. Stir paint
    thoroughly. Spray full body or, if necessary, you can reduce by adding Xylene, or
    Aromatic 150 , or Aromatic 100. spray at a pressure of 45 to 60 lbs with
    conventional spray equipment. Apply a wet film thickness of 8 to 10 mils. (A
    uniform film thickness is important in obtaining a uniform wrinkle pattern.)
    Wrinkle finish will dry to a tack-free uniform pattern in about 2 hours, however,
    film will not become hard for several weeks. To develop hardness in a shorter
    period of time this product can be baked fo 15 minutes at 300 F, or 30 minutes at
    225 F. IMPORTANT: allow wrinkle pattern to develop at room temperature
    before baking in oven. Fasten lid tightly on unused portion of paint. If skin should
    develop before next use, carefully cut away skin, stir thoroughly, and follow above
    directions.
    WARNING - FLAMABLE
     
  11. Nurburgringer

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    VHT black wrinkle in a rattle can worked great on my Honda CRX's valve cover and intake plenum this winter. VERY happy with the results. Sanding off the high points was quick, easy and left smooth shiny aluminum with sharp edges to the black.
    Warmed the (sandblasted then washed in dish soap) parts in the sun, laid on 3 thick coats, then gently went over with a heat gun after the last coat.
    Photos and description here:
    http://www.redpepperracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50810
     
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    Hi voicey, Thank for great photos. what wrinkle paint product did you use? rattle can?

    Hi robertgarven, Thank you for great photos. I see a primer? rattle can? what product?
     
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    #16 robertgarven, May 14, 2011
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    All,

    Yes I used SEM self etching primer gray and Eastwood's Black wrinkle paint. The Boxer is a friends. He saw how nice mine looked and asked if I would paint his they came out great.
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    No problem. I used this product. No primer, just keyed with wire wool and properly degreased.
     
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    #18 Fave, May 14, 2011
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    It took me a few tries to get it right using VHT type.
    My method which works well is to first warm the bare metal part on a space heater, then spray 3 heavy coats in three different directions waiting 5 minutes in-between each coat. Then using a halogen spot light, the yellow construction ones from home depot, I hold it about 3 inches away slowly moving the light across the part. You can watch the paint wrinkle. These lights get extremely hot so be carefull.

    Then when done with the light I let it cool down and harden overnight.
     
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    After my recent experience with bulk paint thru a spray gun, the key, as many have said, is the quantity of wet paint applied. Once you think you have applied enough, apply 2 more coats the same. If you dont, it will dry glossy with patches of nice wrinkles. The wet paint layer is considerably heavier than you would apply any other finish. The paint seems to build and hold very well, kinda like undercoat.

    I was not happy with ability of the 1997 SATA minijet with 0.8 jet needle set to apply a heavy coat of wrinkle paint. I suffered thru with it anyway and it worked. A new needle/jet set was $200 and would only be for wrinkle application, and the 1997 SATA is out of date as well. I would recommend some cheap spray gun with large jet for this wrinkle paint application.

    The bulk wrinkle paint tends to "skin" over quickly between uses and needs to be filtered/screened prior to loading paint cup or it will cause gun blockage problems.
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    +1 On several thick coats and heat.
    I have a very old 1000W hair dryer that I use on large parts. After the last coat, start heating an area and wait for it to wrinkle then just work the rest of the part the same way.
     
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    #21 brian.s, May 25, 2011
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    I use rattle can enamel, any colour, several heavy coats, one final light coat, then into the oven at 200degs, turn off oven, let sit. Perfect every time.
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    I heard about this elsewhere and it does work. If your wrinkle paint is looking faded and needs a refresh then just use olive oil. Seriously. A small amount, brushed over the whole surface (or even a larger quantity but then wiped off thoroughly with absorbent paper) will leave a tiny glossy layer across the surface. Just try to avoid getting it onto nearby plastic as it's not that easy to get it off again.

    So is there any smell when it gets hot? Well not that I noticed but then I wasn't sniffing the engine from behind...I was driving the beast. Besides, any smell would fade away quickly but the gloss stays longer. Obviously this is best in an engine bay that doesn't accumulate lots of road dust as in a 360 for example.

    And yeah, yeah, bring on the jokes about engine bay barbecues... :)
     
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    Your making me hungry. I want to use mozzarella cheese now to plug the spark plug holes!

    Thats a great idea, some one else told me to use Pledge which is a furniture wax, probably has some kind of similar oil like lemon oil in it!

    Rob
     
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    You can use WD40 to the same effect......with no olive smell :)
     

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